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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| I think punk has more range and variety. |
Did you not look at the links I posted?
Please give us some proof of this absurd and unfounded statement.
Ssang U. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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does postpunk count?
i mean, a lot could be said is or isn't punk, for better or worse, but i think the same goes for metal. spinoza listed up both faith no more and type o negative as examples of metal he likes, but i'd say those two artists stray quite a bit from (my conception at least) metal. |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| reactionary wrote: |
does postpunk count?
i mean, a lot could be said is or isn't punk, for better or worse, but i think the same goes for metal. spinoza listed up both faith no more and type o negative as examples of metal he likes, but i'd say those two artists stray quite a bit from (my conception at least) metal. |
Yeah, FNM is not metal, more like funk for middle-class white trash. Type-O is metal; crikey, Pete Steele used to play in Carnivore, if that is not metal, then who knows what is.
If you like the doomy metal stuff like Type-O, then give old My Dying Bride, Anathema, Paradise Lost, Solitude Aeturnus a good listen. Just the old stuff, mind you, before they outdid themselves.
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| i've only had one type o negative album...the one that had the decidedly HARDCORE PUNK song "kill all the white people." and a bunch of other weird stuff that i found pretty unlistenable. as john darnielle would say, death to false metal |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| reactionary wrote: |
| i've only had one type o negative album...the one that had the decidedly HARDCORE PUNK song "kill all the white people." and a bunch of other weird stuff that i found pretty unlistenable. as john darnielle would say, death to false metal |
I posted up a bunch of links; if what I posted is not 'arisk' metal then all hope is doomed. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: ... |
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Did you not look at the links I posted?
Please give us some proof of this absurd and unfounded statement. |
Yes, and it reminded me of some important additional points.
1) Vocals. Aside from your odd Plant banshee dude, most metal vocalists sound like they're one of the big hairy muppet monsters. I would actually like people who sing like that more if they went ahead and wore the muppet costumes while they're singing.
2) Subject matter. I like to hear people sing about Satan as much as I enjoy them singing about God. I generally regard organized religion as silly. That includes serving the Dark Lord. Secondly, I went through a phase where I liked NIN (disclaimer: I'm not calling them metal) and the like. One day, I just realized that I wasn't that angry about the things he's singing about. The same applies to a lot of metal. I prefer anger about politics/social justice than howling about the crappy state of affairs between you and your ex-girlfriend/father/soul any day of the week.
Just to be clear, I do like some metal.
Now, for the absurd claim:
Not sure if they officially count (they kind of straddle the two genres), but they're at the beginning and this video deserves circulation:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4I8o3y5wP48
Then:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Be7Nt5qnBsw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4hPnZUMBwA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W_bmkZjazAo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iQXgfD0UKIY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jRE79bxfMtY |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| reactionary wrote: |
does postpunk count?
i mean, a lot could be said is or isn't punk, for better or worse, but i think the same goes for metal. spinoza listed up both faith no more and type o negative as examples of metal he likes, but i'd say those two artists stray quite a bit from (my conception at least) metal. |
FNM were ecclectic, but 'Angel Dust' is a very heavy record. Kerrang said it's the most influential record of all time. (+)
Type O are heavy. 'World Coming Down' is their heaviest. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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If you want range, punk certainly has a larger amount. Look at all the subgenres (I'll try to list only the good ones).
punk
hardcore
old school hardcore
youth crew hardcore
grindcore
pogo punk
oi
streetpunk
ska
two-tone
skinhead reggae
rockabilly
psychobilly
pop-punk
skate-punk
viking rock (such as Captain Bootbois)
rock against communism |
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
If you want range, punk certainly has a larger amount. Look at all the subgenres (I'll try to list only the good ones).
punk
hardcore
old school hardcore
youth crew hardcore
grindcore
pogo punk
oi
streetpunk
ska
two-tone
skinhead reggae
rockabilly
psychobilly
pop-punk
skate-punk
viking rock (such as Captain Bootbois)
rock against communism |
Huh? Do any of these fellows with 'range' know how to play more than 3 chords per song? Just curious... |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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I think it looks like punk won.
I'm gonna bring my spiked leather jacket and mohawk to SK with me. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
If you want range, punk certainly has a larger amount. Look at all the subgenres (I'll try to list only the good ones).
punk
hardcore
old school hardcore
youth crew hardcore
grindcore
pogo punk
oi
streetpunk
ska
two-tone
skinhead reggae
rockabilly
psychobilly
pop-punk
skate-punk
viking rock (such as Captain Bootbois)
rock against communism |
A good list I would add
Crusty Punks
These are punks who listen Crass
They tend to be politically active some of them are vegetarians.
Straight edge punks
They refrane from taking drugs |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
If you want range, punk certainly has a larger amount. Look at all the subgenres (I'll try to list only the good ones).
punk
hardcore
old school hardcore
youth crew hardcore
grindcore
pogo punk
oi
streetpunk
ska
two-tone
skinhead reggae
rockabilly
psychobilly
pop-punk
skate-punk
viking rock (such as Captain Bootbois)
rock against communism |
A good list I would add
Crusty Punks
These are punks who listen Crass
They tend to be politically active some of them are vegetarians.
Straight edge punks
They refrane from taking drugs |
Right you are. I kind of link youth crew hardcore with straight-edge, even though there's probably a difference. Korea has a lot of great straight-edge hardcore bands.
And I said I would only list good subgenres, which means I oversaw crust punk. The closest thing to crust punk in Korea is the Explode who want to be the eUnseen. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| how can you say skinhead reggae is punk? lots of old school punks like it, but its NOT punk music. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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ska as well. not punk.
two tone..eh..ok..you can kind of make a case for it. but not much of one. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| reactionary wrote: |
| how can you say skinhead reggae is punk? lots of old school punks like it, but its NOT punk music. |
I meant more like Aggrolites and Judge Dread, not the older stuff like Simaryp and Laurel Aitken.
As for ska, since two-tone it's been closely connected with the punk movement (aside from that little ska-punk fad which was neither ska nor punk). Most ska bands are filled with punks and skinheads, so I have no qualms calling it punk. Hell, it's a lot closer to punk than most hardcore. Also, a lot of my brethren will disagree with me, but I think skinheads, as well as the others, are a subclass of punk. |
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