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ONCE YOU GO BLACK...WHITE WOMEN IN THE AFRICAN SKIN TRADE
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:31 am Post subject:

Faunaki wrote:

Because women don't have sex with children. That's why.

Actually, some of them do:

Female teacher suspended over sex act with teenage pupil
Woman gets 4 years in boy's rape
Teacher sought in kidnapping of 13-year old boy
Woman charged with sexual assault of boy, 8

Last edited by Manner of Speaking on Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:29 am; edited 2 times in total

JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:59 am Post subject:

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MOMBASA, Kenya (Reuters) - Bethan, 56, lives in southern England on the same street as best friend Allie, 64. They are on their first holiday to Kenya, a country they say is "just full of big young boys who like us older girls." Allie and Bethan -- who both declined to give their full names...

Wonder how many 56-yr-old "Bethans" there are in southern England living on the same street as their best friend "Allie", and who recently spent a month in Africa. Can't be that many. Someone's bound to put 2 & 2 together and before you know it...

"GRAMMA'S A GLOBE-TROTTING HO??!!"

endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:57 am Post subject:

I used to work with this big big red headed Western girl back when I was in high school. She was in her late 20s and had an awful, demanding personality. Obviously she had not been laid in a long time. So she went to Jamica with one of her girlfriends. She came back bragging how one of the local men ate her out on the beach. I don't believe she paid for it too. Now i like my women a little larger, but the thought of her sexcapade was a little revolting. But hey, good for her! The moral of the story.....well I don't really have one. Just relating my experience of a large red headed biatch getting chewed out (literally) on the sunny beaches of Montego Bay. I'm sure it related to the thread in some manner.

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:55 am Post subject:

Big Bird chirped:

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It isn't quite the same. The sexual act is still a different experience depending on whether you are the powerful one who penetrates, or if you are the weaker and more vulnerable one who is penetrated.

This is a textbook example of gynocentric criticism. C'mon, chick-filet, you know that's nothng more than obfuscation of the issue. Radical feminists (and I don't count you as one) don't have a leg to stand on with this one.

Manner of Speaking:

Very interesting: even if the actual figure is that number, it speaks volumes about the hypocrisy and futility of that sex tourism statute. And I'll bet few diehard feminists realize how widespread this practice has become.

tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:08 am Post subject:

Faunaki wrote:

Because women don't have sex with children. That's why.

I don't know about that. I bet that a strapping, well developed 15 year old Jamaican guy could end up in the sack with one of these gir... errr.... I mean ladies ! You know the kind, the guy who was always far too developed even at a young age. The one guy who, even at a middle school age, had unnaturally large biceps, a very hairy chest and who had to shave 3 or 4 times a day. Well, there was one in my school anyway..... No one would stand anywhere near him in the changing rooms before PE.

Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:25 am Post subject:

Big Bird wrote:

SteveMcGarrett wrote:

Manner of Speaking:
Very interesting: even if the actual figure is that number, it speaks volumes about the hypocrisy and futility of that sex tourism statute. And I'll bet few diehard feminists realize how widespread this practice has become.

Steve,

In fairness, it seems this issue is being researched the most by feminist scholars from the Carribean, who have links to or are working in Canada. Because of the Commonwealth connection, there are a lot of links between Canada and some Carribean countries as well as links between Canadian (particularly Toronto) and Carribean universities.

Feminist scholars who have moved to Canada have been making people more and more aware of this issue, because female sex tourism is (they argue) having an effect on Carribean families, males, and (possibly) the Carribean region's economy.

But yes, it does point out the hypocracy of the statute, if it's not being enforced equally according to gender.

vox

Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Jeollabukdo

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:59 am Post subject:

Fishead soup wrote:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

Fishsoup:

You mean Russian Roulette? Smile

To posters thus far:

I think you're all missing my point, which is that suddenly it's o.k. to do this if you're a Western woman but God forbid if a Western man would resort to the same behavior for the same motives.

I don't see how this kind of behavour runs contrary to feminism regardless whether its a woman or man. If they are two consenting adults
exchanging money for intimacy what's the big deal

I don't see the hairy armpit hippy dippy girls who hang around Kho San road and criticise the men on Patpong and Nana plaza as being feminists.
They're just closed minded hippies.

Well, it does not run contrary to feminism in the sense that ideology-based feminism in 2007 is unappealing to thinking people and ought to be junked,

but it does run contrary to what feminism markets itself to be (a rallying banner for equality) in the sense that here, as with many old chestnuts feminists grab onto (erotic objectification for a relevant example), equality is not followed to its logical conclusion. That's of course a distinct characteristic of feminism as an ideology, but I suppose, though, that it's easier to shout if one does not clutter one's mantra with annoying details like being consistent.

Interesting to reflect that people like Dan Savage (Savage Love sex advice columnist) and colleagues of his have slammed the Western social convention of protesting erotic objectification for objectification's sake (reserving protests for how we treat one another outside the bedroom.)

I wonder if the similar story running in the British press will mean pet store owners in England should close shop and become travel agents.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

Big Bird chirped:

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Sex is dfferent depending on your gender. Let's face it, who is more uncomfortable about their child first having a sexual relationship, the parents of a teenage son or the parents of a teenage daughter? I know of men who have beamed with pride when their sons lost their cherry. But the same dads wouldn't be celebrating their daughters' 'deflowering.' It's still different for the sexes, and in some ways probably always will be. Anyone who denies that is not living in reality.

Vicissitude

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

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"GRAMMA'S A GLOBE-TROTTING HO??!!"

And "GRAMPA'S A GLOBE-TROTTING SEX TOURIST HO MONGER"

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:26 am Post subject:

Big Bird pecked:

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Let's face it, who is more uncomfortable about their child first having a sexual relationship, the parents of a teenage son or the parents of a teenage daughter? I know of men who have beamed with pride when their sons lost their cherry. But the same dads wouldn't be celebrating their daughters' 'deflowering.' It's still different for the sexes, and in some ways probably always will be

Uh, what the heck does that have to do with your original point??!

I'm going to have to get the Sesame Street staff to chase you out of the studio, Ms. Yellow Feathers!

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:07 am Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

Big Bird pecked:

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Uh, what the heck does that have to do with your original point??!

I'm going to have to get the Sesame Street staff to chase you out of the studio, Ms. Yellow Feathers!

Then I'll try not to 'get in a flap!'

My point is that in some ways this is equivalent, but it's not quite the same. Firstly, the male prostitutes don't have the same stigma as the female prostitutes (unless perhaps their clients are men). Secondly, providing of course we are not talking about child prostitutes or sex slavery, they are not in such a vulnerable position as female prostitutes. Between a man and a woman, even if the man is a prostitute, the man has the most control. He can reliquish it in part if he wishes, but at the end of the day, he is in control.

But I'm not saying that male prostitutes aren't harmed in other ways. I certainly wouldn't want my sons to work in that profession!

Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:31 am Post subject:

Big_Bird wrote:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

Big Bird pecked:

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Uh, what the heck does that have to do with your original point??!

I'm going to have to get the Sesame Street staff to chase you out of the studio, Ms. Yellow Feathers!

Stevemcgarrett and Big Bird,

I think there are some aspects to this that are a bit more subtle and complex, that are worth exploring. First of all, we can ask the question, 'Is sex tourism harmful to developing countries?' On the one hand, it is bringing foreign currency into a country, but on the other hand, it's diverting human resources away from more productive sectors of the economy. If teenage boys and girls are dropping out of school to go 'play on the beach', that's not good for their personal development and its not good for the development of their society. I think one of the reasons Carribean feminist scholars have been raising this issue in Canada is because female sex tourism is putting a strain on families and marriages in their home countries. Something which North American and European feminists were previously unaware of. As Big Bird pointed out, most mothers wouldn't want their sons to work in that profession.

Big Bird suggested that male and female sex tourism are not exactly synonymous because sex is different for people, depending on their gender. For women, heterosexual sex is a more invasive act. While that is true, IMHO it's a bit of an open question whether or not that is relevant in the issue of female sex tourism. These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. Although that's a graphic way of putting it, it points out that whatever trepidations they may have had about penetration have been dealt with a long time ago. They are deliberately flying to these countries to seek out 'the big bamboo', as the expression goes.

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject:

MOS discerned:

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These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated.

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On the one hand, it is bringing foreign currency into a country, but on the other hand, it's diverting human resources away from more productive sectors of the economy. If teenage boys and girls are dropping out of school to go 'play on the beach', that's not good for their personal development and its not good for the development of their society. I think one of the reasons Carribean feminist scholars have been raising this issue in Canada is because female sex tourism is putting a strain on families and marriages in their home countries.

I concur, although in the case of Thailand the underscored is not an issue. Indeed, many poor rural Thai families encourage one of their daughters to enter prostitution if it will benefit them. The Thai attitude toward sex in general is less restrictive.

Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:28 am Post subject:

Steve...by the way, did you know that Jack Lord was a Liberal? He was a frequent advocate of gun control in the US.

Fishead soup

Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

MOS discerned:

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These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated.

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30 baht to an American dollar. That doesn't buy much bang in Bangkok

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