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igotthisguitar
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Regulations should not be a reaction to a bad event. |
In an ideal world, that might be true. If everyone were a nice guy then we wouldn't need gov't to begin with. We could just go with a slightly souped up version of the 10 Commandments and be done with it.
However, I've long been convinced that the criminal mind is a lot more devious than an honest mind. Not every mother shopping for baby clothes has a degree in chemistry and can figure out that the materials that make up that cute set of PJ's with the feet in them will burst in to flames at 75 degrees F. |
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ontheway
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Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Regulations should not be a reaction to a bad event. |
In an ideal world, that might be true. If everyone were a nice guy then we wouldn't need gov't to begin with. We could just go with a slightly souped up version of the 10 Commandments and be done with it.
However, I've long been convinced that the criminal mind is a lot more devious than an honest mind. Not every mother shopping for baby clothes has a degree in chemistry and can figure out that the materials that make up that cute set of PJ's with the feet in them will burst in to flames at 75 degrees F. |
And this is why we need to eliminate most of the government, the laws, the regulations and the taxes. Criminal minds being clever and focused on their crimes while honest people are focused innocently on their lives means that criminals have as their first target the take over of the government. They use the government to protect their criminal enterprises, to "regulate" their enterprises so as to reduce or eliminate competition, to make rules that others can't possible meet, to loot from the taxpayers through the pork trough, to out and out steal, to pad the government payrolls with family, friends, supporters and cronies, to trade bribes for favors, and to subvert the interests of the innocent, sleeping taxpayer, empty the taxpayers' wallets and enrich themselves through their malicious power grabs.
Free people have little to fear from their neighbors. They can refuse to do business with any dishonest or even suspicious merchant, but they cannot escape the evil, criminal gangs that control the government.
If we want to be safe and free, we must eliminate the greatest threat to our security. The government.
It's time!
Smash the state!
Set the people free! |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Smash the state!
Set the people free! |
Cute, but bumper-sticker political philosophy doesn't play. There is a perfectly good reason we built the big government--the small government we had before couldn't handle the problems the Robber Barrons presented.
I say, "Send the libertarians and the Libertarians to Canada." Good riddance. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Smash the state!
Set the people free! |
Cute, but bumper-sticker political philosophy doesn't play. There is a perfectly good reason we built the big government--the small government we had before couldn't handle the problems the Robber Barrons presented.
I say, "Send the libertarians and the Libertarians to Canada." Good riddance. |
You must have failed at historical research.
The "robber barons" term is a socialistic propaganda tool. This reference is taught to school kids so that they turn off their ability to reason and never follow up on the actual history.
An actual historical review shows that those businesses and businessmen that were cheating either their investors or the general public were committing fraud with THE ASSISTANCE of the government. Bribes were paid to government officials to allow corporate criminals to issue illegal stock shares, for example. The courts allowed it to stand. (more corruption.)
Honest businessmen were prevented by the government from acting. A carefull review, person by person of the era has shown that the misdeads of the era you refer to were committed either directly by the government or supported by the government.
Of course, along came the "reformers" who made things worse by creating the system we have today which is expensive and wrongheaded at its best, and generally falls into the hands of the powerseekers and criminal looters. The revolving door of individuals regulating themselves for their own benefit.
Sorry, Yata, your comments are historically false. You live in a dogma dreamland. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, Yata, your comments are historically false. You live in a dogma dreamland. |
Oh, the irony, the irony. 
Since you have demonstrated several times that you are a true believer (read that 'brainwashed'), the question inevitably comes up: How much of your 'philosophy' does RP buy into? |
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Funkdafied
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Id rather have regulation of the meat industry than for people to have to wait till they get violently ill from bad meat and THEN go and complain. |
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igotthisguitar
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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| I didn't know health inspectors were critical to staving off anarchy. I thought anarchy was defeated by respect for the rule of law enforced by a local police and local courts. |
I think of food inspectors as a kind of health police and, in my opinion, play an important part in staving off 'anarchy'. I don't want to imagine what it was like a hundred years ago. One reading of The Jungle was enough to convince me. |
I'm not challenging food inspectors: but I am setting a high standard for what regulations need to accomplish. Regulations should not be a reaction to a bad event. Whether it be security regulations after 9-11 or financial regulations after Enron, we must ask, are the regulations really cost-effective? |
I can't argue with that.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
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I don't think 'cost-effective' is necessarily the bottom line.
It's much more cost effective to buy one lawn mower and hire one guy to mow the grass next to highways than it is to hire 15 ajummas to put on their long-sleeve shirts, straw hats and scarves and go out every day and pull weeds and trim the grass by hand. BUT doing the latter gives them something to do while earning a minimum income.
If nothing else, putting regulations on businesses makes the crooks in the crowd work harder to fleece us. |
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