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Date a smoker?

I would not date a cigarette smoker.

55%

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I would date a person who only smoked cigarettes occasionally (only when they drink, etc.).

15%

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I would be fine dating any cigarette smoker.

28%

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aaabank

Joined: 27 Feb 2007

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:59 am Post subject:

KWhitehead wrote:

what about 'i have and it was effing nasty'?

Same here. definitely something i'm not going to experience again. I think it's bad enough when after a night out your clothes and hair all reek of the cigarette stench. Dating a smoker just increases the exposure.

I realize that some have called the stance as overly critical, but it is ones own decision about who they are going to date. Is it close-minded to choose a potential mate with the utmost precautions and care?

Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:02 am Post subject:

Atavistic wrote:

No it's not. I've been attracted to someone until they opened their mouth. Or until I found out how they voted. Or until they...

Again, I find differences of political opinion to be insane criteria for unattractiveness. I can�t stand religion, but my ex-girlfriend in my home country was Muslim and I would think nothing of dating a Jew or a Christian as much as I detest their insane, inferior and indecent beliefs. Dating a raving Bushie? No problem. I�d probably enjoy the conversation. Returning to the point�..imagine I�m in Seoul Pub, merrily sipping a delicious glass of scotch whiskey and smoking a particularly gorgeous cigar. As I live and breathe, in walks my dream woman. It�s love at first sight. We get chatting and she�s perfect � intelligent, witty, dashing. She sparks up. Ooh, what to do? Laughing

Atavistic wrote:

Attraction--at least for most women--is about more than looks.

Indeed. How would you feel about dating a fat millionaire who�s an NRA member and voted for Bush twice, for instance?

Atavistic wrote:

http://www.korea.net/news/news/NewsView.asp?serial_no=20040213016&part=102&SearchDay=

The source points to a gender gap and the point stands. Korean women are substantially less likely to be fat � the ultimate turn-off for males (ugly is subjective) � than women from an English-speaking country. The point? You girls who are picky about smokers, for your own sake, make sure you are stunning. Train yourselves to find Korean men attractive too if you do not already. Not liking Asian men and not liking smokers, as a woman with 20% or more likelihood of being obese, in Asia, seems disastrous so far as finding a mate is concerned.

Atavistic

Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:18 am Post subject:

Justin Hale wrote:

This seems to be your party line, indeed. What is has to do with this thread, I have no idea.

As for the fat NRA millionaire: no.

Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:22 am Post subject:

It's connected with pickiness.

Atavistic wrote:

As for the fat NRA millionaire: no.

I find it very hard to believe you'd continue with your career of asking Korean children what their favorite flavor ice cream is for 25k per year rather than run off with said millionaire, should he find you attractive. Laughing

littlelisa

Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:45 am Post subject:

Justin Hale wrote:

It's connected with pickiness.

Atavistic wrote:

As for the fat NRA millionaire: no.

For goodness' sake, Justin! How the heck would you know better than she would what she would do? Why not actually believe what she says?

I would NEVER date any such person no matter how much money he had. You think everyone cares so much about money? Rolling Eyes

yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:53 am Post subject:

If she smokes the pole, she can smoke the coal.

Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject:

Justin Hale wrote:

Draz wrote:

Where are you getting these stats anyway? Can I see a source for the obesity statistics for EFL teachers in Asia? Not the American stats compared with the Korean stats, but the stats for Americans (Canadians, Brits, whatever) in Korea.

There is a 3% chance that a Korean person will be obese.

USA: 30%
UK/NZ/AUS: 20-23%
Canada and Ireland do better with 14% and 13%.

It's an established fact that Western people are generally fatter than their Eastern counterparts and my visit to Itaewon yesterday did little to dispel that notion, but if you want proof, here you go

I said stats for Canadians IN KOREA. It doesn't matter anyway, since even in this case if you flip it around I have at least an 80% chance of not being fat. I'll take those odds.

I wouldn't have anything to do with the unattractive and obnoxious millionaire either. It is hard work to get those millions out of him, and my heart just isn't in it. I'd rather spend time on something fun (or maybe even constructive!), even if I make less money doing it.

twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject:

Atavistic wrote:

Justin Hale wrote:

Train yourselves to find Korean men attractive too if you do not already. Not liking Asian men and not liking smokers, as a woman with 20% or more likelihood of being obese, in Asia, seems disastrous so far as finding a mate is concerned.

This seems to be your party line, indeed. What is has to do with this thread, I have no idea.

Yeah, I don't get it either. He's had it pointed out to him a dozen times buy a few women that his views of "Uppity cows getting celibacy forced upon them (like they forced upon me back home)" here in Korea just isn't true.

Typical resentment of the Charisma Man. Nothing to be done about it except roll your eyes.

littlelisa

Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject:

twg wrote:

Atavistic wrote:

Justin Hale wrote:

This seems to be your party line, indeed. What is has to do with this thread, I have no idea.

Heh, I personally translated it as "(Justin says:) be easier for me to score with, dammit! Be a bit more desperate!"

Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject:

littlelisa wrote:

twg wrote:

Atavistic wrote:

Justin Hale wrote:

This seems to be your party line, indeed. What is has to do with this thread, I have no idea.

Heh, I personally translated it as "(Justin says:) be easier for me to score with, dammit! Be a bit more desperate!"

He likes younger women because they are the only ones dumb enough to fall for it. Hey, we've all been there. Or maybe that's just me. Embarassed

Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject:

Draz wrote:

I said stats for Canadians IN KOREA.

I gave you the stats for in Korea. I gave you the stats for all Canadians, which includes Canadians in Korea. You Canadians are the good guys, because there's a 30% chance that a random American is obese and 23% chance a random Brit is obese. I've lived in Britain and America where on average 1 in every 3.3 to 4 girls had an ass like this. It reduces the numbers of potential mates for guys, which is bad for the species.

Draz wrote:

It doesn't matter anyway, since even in this case if you flip it around I have at least an 80% chance of not being fat. I'll take those odds.

That's what I say when Korean friends or colleagues make a wise crack about East Asians having substantially lower rates of obesity. Still, on the dating market in Korea and Japan, girls from an English-speaking country, if they seek dates, are up against women 97% of whom are not obese, so, as I say, it might help if you're a looker if you're coming to Asia and gonna be picky. It is one's right to be picky in any way we see fit, of course, but let one's dating options be the judge of how successful it is. I'd date a smoker, a Muslim, a Bushie, a crackpot Christian and this has proved a successful strategy throughout life, since it's years since I last sat at home and played with myself.

twg wrote:

Well, it's always fun to watch people sink to the depths of cheap shots and ad hominem.

Anyway, twg, that's old news and this is a different discussion. Actually, I do check out your blog and I respect your view because you've been a hagwon jockey in Korea since 1921 and I must concede that my knowledge of all things Korea is poor compared to yours. As I said though, this is a different discussion. I haven't said "girls who are this picky, become less picky or you won't get any". I have said that if you seek dates in Korea and can afford to be what I regard as unnaturally picky, congratulations on being absolutely stunning and having the pick of the crop!

Littlelisa wrote:

Heh, I personally translated it as "(Justin says:) be easier for me to score with, dammit! Be a bit more desperate!"

You've more chance of Rteacher and Junior becoming atheists. Laughing

Draz wrote:

He likes younger women because they are the only ones dumb enough to fall for it. Hey, we've all been there. Or maybe that's just me.

Oh dear, what a condescending attitude to take towards the young! Shocked

Anyway, I'm in my late 20s now and women who are 5 years older than me are substantially less attractive than they were 5 years ago and girls in their early 20s are more likely to be attractive than girls in their late 20s and early 30s. Female attractiveness is bound inextricably to youth and fertility. I like younger women because as one gets older, the girls start to lose it a bit. Men in their late 20s dating girls in their early 20s is common. Older guys and younger girls finding one another attractive is a very well-researched area of evolutionary psychology.

Last edited by Justin Hale on Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:25 pm; edited 1 time in total

yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject:

Justin Hale = Just inhale. I get it.

Atavistic

Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject:

And he still hasn't explained what this has to do with smoking...

Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject:

Atavistic wrote:

And he still hasn't explained what this has to do with smoking... Rolling Eyes

Pickiness.

Darashii

Joined: 08 Jan 2008

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject:

I don't mind moderate tobbaco use, but I would encourage quitting if kids get involved.

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