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cunning_stunt
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Thanks .
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Look, I have 3 medical studies that say vitamins simply don't work against AIDS and in fact kill people dead. So you're 100% wrong. Argument over?
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Don't put words in my mouth . I never said or implied they did work against the virus hiv . But certainly they will help you live longer . If you want to argue against the fact that its a good idea to have a good diet , then it's clear you are just being argumentative for no good reason .
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What evidence do you have to believe the FDA is allowing unsafe AIDS drugs onto the market?
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To this and all the other arguments asking me for further proof ...again I say do your research and come to your own conclusions . It would take me minutes to provide links to which you could provide counter links etc etc....I'm too lazy and apathetic and just don't need your affirmation or validation.
Why ? Because this is the nature of the thing and the problem . Nobody fully understands how aids works . There is just no good reasonto assume that hiv is the only factor important in the disease . There are plenty of reasons to believe that there might be third forces at play in the complex equation . The fact that its extremely hard to pass on hiv and the low probablity that this is the source of it being the main one . Also the gross prevalence of the disease in countries with poor diet and poverty .
Given all these factors , to argue that there is no relation to aids and diet is absurd . I fail to see the controversy in this point or why you can't assimulate this information . I propose you are playing devils advocate and hence my reluctance to waste my precious time proving perfectly obvious points .
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| Vaginal, anal, and IV drug use. |
Firstly ....iv drug use . No . No south african hospital would ever use a needle more than once . Heroine is expensive and not at all used on any significant scale in South Africa .Vaginal sex offers 7000-1 exposures . Anal sex slighly less and is not considered sexy or appealing and practiced by the locals on any scale to explain the reported high numbers of people with the disease .
We can conclude one of two things...
a) Either hiv is not the sole cause of the blanket of disease described as AIDS
b) It is and the numbers are far lower than reported .
Option b offers it's own interesting questions and debates . Use it ..don't use it . I don't care . |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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To this and all the other arguments asking me for further proof ...again I say do your research and come to your own conclusions . It would take me minutes to provide links to which you could provide counter links etc etc....I'm too lazy and apathetic and just don't need your affirmation or validation. |
Yes, you seem to prefer to pull conspiracy theories out of the air to answer reasonable questions. The FDA approves drugs that are shown to be safe and effective. Sometimes some are not, of course. Long term effects are missed. But the FDA also requires post approval data collection to catch this. If HIV drugs are "toxic" well where is the literature? Ah, you prefer to invoke a conspiracy theory.
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Nobody fully understands how aids works . There is just no good reasonto assume that hiv is the only factor important in the disease .
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First problem, you're trying to set up an argument from ignorance. Second, there is very good evidence to assume that HIV is cause of the disease.
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| Also the gross prevalence of the disease in countries with poor diet and poverty . |
Yeah, people don't get diagnosed as early. Poor hospital conditions. Poor education about the disease. Sure seems to me people in Africa think you can cure aids by having sex with a baby. There are many factors involved in the spread and transmission of the HIV virus.
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| Vaginal, anal, and IV drug use. |
Firstly ....iv drug use . No . No south african hospital would ever use a needle more than once . |
Really? Outside of Pretoria in the townships the hospitals are just as good? Anyway, strawman. There are many ways poor sanitary conditions can lead to contamination, not just a conscious effort to reuse needles.
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| Heroine is expensive and not at all used on any significant scale in South Africa . |
That's odd because some of the poorest people in Vancouver are also big IV drug users. Do you know the street price of heroine in Africa?
http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/article.cfm?storyID=26861
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Intravenous drug use (IDU) is emerging as a significant driver for the �second wave� of the international HIV/AIDS pandemic, according to Dr. Chris Beyrer, a leading authority on the disease.
This wave is driven, in part, by record world levels of opium production, particularly in Afghanistan, and is compounded by the virtual absence of effective HIV/AIDS treatment programs in public health systems. |
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/14/news/UN-GEN-UN-AIDS-Drug-Use.php
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| Intravenous drug use is estimated to account for nearly one-third of new HIV infections outside sub-Saharan Africa, but fewer than 8 percent of users receive HIV prevention services, Prasada Rao, UNAIDS Regional Director for Asia and the Pacific, said Sunday in Poland at the opening of a conference on drug use. |
So, I rather think you're 100% wrong. Unless you have figures to the contrary. I'll wait.
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| Vaginal sex offers 7000-1 exposures . Anal sex slighly less and is not considered sexy or appealing and practiced by the locals on any scale to explain the reported high numbers of people with the disease . |
Your own figures show the risk is 1 in 500 via anal. Let me quote it again from the straightdope site you quoted:
If your partner is HIV-positive, your chances of getting AIDS after one night are 1 in 5,000 with a condom, 1 in 500 without.
I would not call a factor of ten slightly less. What evidence do you have anal is less common, sexy, desirable in Africa as it is among straight males in North America?
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We can conclude one of two things...
a) Either hiv is not the sole cause of the blanket of disease described as AIDS
b) It is and the numbers are far lower than reported . |
False dichotomy.
c) HIV is transmitted and HIV+ numbers increase by sex, IV drug use, women giving birth to HIV+ babies, poor sanitary conditions at hospitals. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080206/ts_nm/aids_food_dc_1
HIV can be passed to babies in pre-chewed food
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The AIDS virus can be passed from an infected mother to her baby if she pre-chews the child's food as sometimes occurs in developing countries, U.S. government scientists said on Wednesday. |
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