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itaewonguy
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you atheists go on about how you hate christians getting in your face!
umm if I am correct I do believe all the threads of religion evolution, anti christians, creationism etc.. were all started by athiests!
if you ask me athiests are the ones who cant let it go!!
I have never met a christian who bothered me once!
they say hello, are you christian, without offending them or being rude as I respect others and understand their mind set.. I say no I am buddist! that will end the conversation quickly..
im sure an athiest on the other hand would love to just attack her belief and torture the poor woman!!
one thing I still dont get about atheists! if they really dont care about religion they sure have some funny way of showing it..
Ive never met a quiet atheist! they all love to be heard and let everyone know of their new found belief!
and they say christians raising their hands are bad.. give me a break! |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Here's a Hitler quote:
My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison___as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
Hitler said this in a speech on April 12, 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20. Oxford University Press, 1942).
I find these quotes disturbingly suitable...I wonder if you read this book and are actually trolling... |
Oh come now, Hitler was a master manipulator. Do you actually think that he believed in Christianity, truly believed? No "true" Christian would do the things he did. It is written in Christianity "thou shalt not kill", right? Hitler was using a means to an end. He wanted power. He analyzed the people he wanted to control, saw his opportunity with Christianity and seized it. To say that Hitler was a true Christian is like saying that Osama bin Laden is a true Muslim. The horrible acts of these men define them apart from whatever religion they claim to be. |
http://nobeliefs.com/hitler-myths.htm
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| Far from simple. I'm still trying to figure out that first sentence. |
Indeed, it was a double negative and it's hardly the first time he's posted utter tosh. Laogaiguk is finally correct though!  None of those dictators killed theists as an end itself. They killed them as a means to an end. Muslims and Jews kill each other as an end itself. Bruno was burned at the stake as an end itself. Christians burned witches as an end itself. Sunnis and Shiites kill each other as an end in itself.
I'm so, so, so sick of this misconception. Atheism has never been - and probably never will be - used to kill theists, or anyone, as an end itself or for any kind of violence. Mind you, Hitler didn't kill Jews as a theistic end in itself either. He didn't think "right, I'm a Christian, and I'm sick of you Jews and I'm gonna kill you solely on this Christian theological basis"; nevertheless, his hatred of Jews was influenced by his Catholicism and the strident antisemitism in Germany and Austria, and all Europe, for the previous 2000 years. Christianity is largely responsible for the Holocaust.
Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all believed the Earth orbits the Sun. Actually, all the worst serial killers were heliocentrists. Hence, �the Earth orbits the Sun� is false?  People doing awful things under the influence of a belief does not render the belief false. Likewise, just because human beings behave disgustingly due to religion, it doesn�t make those beliefs false. To believe what is false is to believe what is not, period. |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
Ive never met a quiet atheist! they all love to be heard and let everyone know of their new found belief!
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Surely you must admit the possibility that you have indeed met some, but didn't realize it because they were quiet about it. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| Flakfizer wrote: |
| Far from simple. I'm still trying to figure out that first sentence. |
Indeed, it was a double negative and it's hardly the first time he's posted utter tosh. Laogaiguk is finally correct though! None of those dictators killed theists as an end itself. They killed them as a means to an end. Muslims and Jews kill each other as an end itself. Bruno was burned at the stake as an end itself. Christians burned witches as an end itself. Sunnis and Shiites kill each other as an end in itself.
I'm so, so, so sick of this misconception. Atheism has never been - and probably never will be - used to kill theists, or anyone, as an end itself or for any kind of violence. Mind you, Hitler didn't kill Jews as a theistic end in itself either. He didn't think "right, I'm a Christian, and I'm sick of you Jews and I'm gonna kill you solely on this Christian theological basis"; nevertheless, his hatred of Jews was influenced by his Catholicism and the strident antisemitism in Germany and Austria, and all Europe, for the previous 2000 years. Christianity is largely responsible for the Holocaust.
Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all believed the Earth orbits the Sun. Actually, all the worst serial killers were heliocentrists. Hence, �the Earth orbits the Sun� is false? People doing awful things under the influence of a belief does not render the belief false. Likewise, just because human beings behave disgustingly due to religion, it doesn�t make those beliefs false. To believe what is false is to believe what is not, period. |
Whew! It's so good to learn that if the US were to adopt state atheism, religious folks would be killed only as a means to end and not as an end in itself. There's always a silver lining. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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Christians are idiots. They annoy me so bad I simply can't stop venting about it. If I meet a person and then they tell me that they're a practicing Christian, my respect-o-meter crashes through the floor.
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I feel the same way about Evangelical Atheists... |
When was the last time an atheist murdered someone or many people for his/her cause?
...and don't say Hitler or Mao Tse Tung. |
Why not? You can't ask the question and then try to keep examples out. Just from the 20th C., to add to the two you mentioned, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Pol Pot immediately come to mind. There is a list as long as history. |
Because none of those people didn't kill for their Atheistic views. They killed for other ones. That was quite simple actually. |
Not simple at all. Atheism was at the base of most of their ideologies. KJI still kills based upon that. |
That's crap. They would kill people for the same reasons if they were Christian, Buddhist, etc. They are not killing based on an Atheistic view. They are killing on their views and they happen to be Atheists. Two separate things. There is no Atheistic book telling people to do something. That's the whole point. Someone killing an abortion doctor based on the Christian Bible, or blowing people up based on the Koran on the other hand are killings based on religion. How can someone kill someone based on their Atheistic views? |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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Do you believe in Zeus?
Do you believe in Poseidon?
Do you believe in Baal?
Do you believe in Anansi?
Do you believe in (insert any name of any god here)? |
Someone a lot more clever than me once said, "I worship the sun. I can at least see that and my prayers are answered just as often as when I was praying to god." It was something along those lines anyway. |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
Christians are idiots. They annoy me so bad I simply can't stop venting about it. If I meet a person and then they tell me that they're a practicing Christian, my respect-o-meter crashes through the floor.
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I feel the same way about Evangelical Atheists... |
When was the last time an atheist murdered someone or many people for his/her cause?
...and don't say Hitler or Mao Tse Tung. |
Why not? You can't ask the question and then try to keep examples out. Just from the 20th C., to add to the two you mentioned, Joseph Stalin, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-il, and Pol Pot immediately come to mind. There is a list as long as history. |
Because none of those people didn't kill for their Atheistic views. They killed for other ones. That was quite simple actually. |
Not simple at all. Atheism was at the base of most of their ideologies. KJI still kills based upon that. |
That's crap. They would kill people for the same reasons if they were Christian, Buddhist, etc. They are not killing based on an Atheistic view. They are killing on their views and they happen to be Atheists. Two separate things. There is no Atheistic book telling people to do something. That's the whole point. Someone killing an abortion doctor based on the Christian Bible, or blowing people up based on the Koran on the other hand are killings based on religion. How can someone kill someone based on their Atheistic views? |
If someone was a true Christian, Buddhist, etc., they would not murder. As such, no matter what he may have called himself, the murderer of an abortion doctor was no Christian. The murderers mentioned before could do what they did because they had no moral foundation. They created their own ideologies to justify their immorality and amorality. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
you atheists go on about how you hate christians getting in your face!
umm if I am correct I do believe all the threads of religion evolution, anti christians, creationism etc.. were all started by athiests!
if you ask me athiests are the ones who cant let it go!!
I have never met a christian who bothered me once!
they say hello, are you christian, without offending them or being rude as I respect others and understand their mind set.. I say no I am buddist! that will end the conversation quickly..
im sure an athiest on the other hand would love to just attack her belief and torture the poor woman!!
one thing I still dont get about atheists! if they really dont care about religion they sure have some funny way of showing it..
Ive never met a quiet atheist! they all love to be heard and let everyone know of their new found belief!
and they say christians raising their hands are bad.. give me a break! |
Are you calling me an atheist? I've complained as well. I really don't appreciate it if some stranger, I don't know, when I am trying to get up some stairs to take my connecting train yells "Do you believe in Jesus Christ?!". And, no, I have no problem with churches and have prayed in them. I just don't like to be misled about surveys, people yell stuff...
I just want to be left alone. They sound like bad car salesmen, but they are selling religion. That's the difference. I am definitely not an atheist, and I believe in God. I just don't wear it on my sleeve.... I could easily start this thread. Why do you assume only atheists don't like this?
One of my best friends who is an Anglican is fed up with these people as well.. Some guys kept chasing him and his friend trying to proselytize.
Isn't that going over the top a bit? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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If someone was a true Christian, Buddhist, etc., they would not murder. As such, no matter what he may have called himself, the murderer of an abortion doctor was no Christian. The murderers mentioned before could do what they did because they had no moral foundation. They created their own ideologies to justify their immorality and amorality. |
Are you sure? I am guessing you will ignore certain parts of your Holy Book then for that definition of a Christian? And if you can ignore those, what actually does make a true Christian and would everyone agree with you. That's obviously rhetorical, as the answer is no, not everyone will agree what a true Christian is.
But I don't care about Christians being Christian, as long as they stay out of my life. One day, religion will be a thing of the past. This is an almost certainty. You can already start to see the very beginnings of it. It doesn't affect me. But you guys were hinting that Atheism (which I do not hold with) was the cause of deaths when it wasn't. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| If someone was a true Christian, Buddhist, etc., they would not murder. As such, no matter what he may have called himself, the murderer of an abortion doctor was no Christian. The murderers mentioned before could do what they did because they had no moral foundation. They created their own ideologies to justify their immorality and amorality. |
And who's deciding who true Christians, Buddhists etc. are?
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Admittedly, God's counsel to parents is straightforward:
whenever children get out of line, we should beat them with a rod (Proverbs 13:24,20:30, and 23:13-14). If they are shameless enough to talk back to us, we should kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Mark 7:9-13, and Matthew 15:4-7). We must also stone people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, worshipping graven images, practicing sorcery, and a wide variety of other imaginary crimes. Here is just one example of God's timeless wisdom:
If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,"... you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him; but you shall kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.... If you hear in one of your cities, which the LORD your God gives you to dwell there, that certain base fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of the city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods" which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently; and behold, if it be true and certain that such an abominable thing has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, destroying it utterly, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.
----DEUTERONOMY 13:6, 8-15 |
A true Christian, who would follow the Bible - right? - would kill in the name of God. Disagree with the Bible will you? Heretic.
YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT FROM THE BIBLE. That's not how it works. It's either right, or it isn't. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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A true Christian, who would follow the Bible - right? - would kill in the name of God. Disagree with the Bible will you? Heretic.
YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT FROM THE BIBLE. That's not how it works. It's either right, or it isn't. |
Well, I ask you... Who WOULDN'T happily send their daughters to be gang-raped if it meant preventing gay sodomy? |
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bluelake
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| If someone was a true Christian, Buddhist, etc., they would not murder. As such, no matter what he may have called himself, the murderer of an abortion doctor was no Christian. The murderers mentioned before could do what they did because they had no moral foundation. They created their own ideologies to justify their immorality and amorality. |
And who's deciding who true Christians, Buddhists etc. are?
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Admittedly, God's counsel to parents is straightforward:
whenever children get out of line, we should beat them with a rod (Proverbs 13:24,20:30, and 23:13-14). If they are shameless enough to talk back to us, we should kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Mark 7:9-13, and Matthew 15:4-7). We must also stone people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, worshipping graven images, practicing sorcery, and a wide variety of other imaginary crimes. Here is just one example of God's timeless wisdom:
If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,"... you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him; but you shall kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.... If you hear in one of your cities, which the LORD your God gives you to dwell there, that certain base fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of the city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods" which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently; and behold, if it be true and certain that such an abominable thing has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, destroying it utterly, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.
----DEUTERONOMY 13:6, 8-15 |
A true Christian, who would follow the Bible - right? - would kill in the name of God. Disagree with the Bible will you? Heretic.
YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT FROM THE BIBLE. That's not how it works. It's either right, or it isn't. |
To begin with (speaking of picking and choosing), you picked out of context the parts from the New Testament. Jesus was not telling parents to kill their children; he was showing the Pharisees their hypocrisy. As for the Old Testament verses, they were right for their time and were speaking to very specific circumstances of that time. As far as Christians go, remember what Jesus said: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." That nullified all of the OT verses you referenced. |
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bluelake
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| You guys believe--or not believe--whatever you want. |
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Kuros
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| If someone was a true Christian, Buddhist, etc., they would not murder. As such, no matter what he may have called himself, the murderer of an abortion doctor was no Christian. The murderers mentioned before could do what they did because they had no moral foundation. They created their own ideologies to justify their immorality and amorality. |
And who's deciding who true Christians, Buddhists etc. are?
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Admittedly, God's counsel to parents is straightforward:
whenever children get out of line, we should beat them with a rod (Proverbs 13:24,20:30, and 23:13-14). If they are shameless enough to talk back to us, we should kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Mark 7:9-13, and Matthew 15:4-7). We must also stone people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, worshipping graven images, practicing sorcery, and a wide variety of other imaginary crimes. Here is just one example of God's timeless wisdom:
If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,"... you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him; but you shall kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.... If you hear in one of your cities, which the LORD your God gives you to dwell there, that certain base fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of the city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods" which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently; and behold, if it be true and certain that such an abominable thing has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, destroying it utterly, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.
----DEUTERONOMY 13:6, 8-15 |
A true Christian, who would follow the Bible - right? - would kill in the name of God. Disagree with the Bible will you? Heretic.
YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT FROM THE BIBLE. That's not how it works. It's either right, or it isn't. |
Tell me, what does the story of David v Goliath tell us? What would it mean to you? |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
you atheists go on about how you hate christians getting in your face!
umm if I am correct I do believe all the threads of religion evolution, anti christians, creationism etc.. were all started by athiests!
if you ask me athiests are the ones who cant let it go!!
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I can't let it go.
My country, that I pay income taxes to, doesn't fund embryonic stem cell research because a bunch of mongoloids can't do without their imaginary best friend in the sky.
That's a bitter pill to swallow for those of us with family members suffering from degenerative neurological diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
Now that McCain is the GOP nominee, and he favors federally funded embryonic research, we are basically guaranteed that it will become policy in the next presidential administration. That administration begins in January 2009.
I resolve to try to be nicer to you dimwits subsequent to the legislation's passage. |
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