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DrunkenMaster
Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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| Morons. All of you. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Bassexpander, very unartful and lazy use of the copy-and-paste function. You didn't address anything I clearly addressed to you, point by point, as always. Can you be any less original in the expository department? Is a dog operating your computer? |
Because you obsessively ask the same things point-by-point in post after post after post.
It gets a little old, mouse.
You ask dumb questions like some 5 year-old who won't leave it alone.
We've already established that you took photos of someone else's KEI-TEFL, and that your friend Whistleblower works for Cambridge (same company as the CELTA).
Grow up, dude. |
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agoodmouse
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| agoodmouse wrote: |
| Bassexpander, very unartful and lazy use of the copy-and-paste function. You didn't address anything I clearly addressed to you, point by point, as always. Can you be any less original in the expository department? Is a dog operating your computer? |
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| Grow up, dude. |
This was in jest, Bassexpander. Your unoriginal use of copy-and-paste of three pages of dialogue that arbitrarily addressed not one single person in this conversation borders on that possibility.
You couldn't answer me why you asked for photographic evidence of my online KEI-TEFL certificate, which I then gave to you.
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No, I fully expected you to produce photographs. I just wanted to see your sexy fingers. Laughing
Do you feel as if you've won something here? What was the prize? |
I forgot to reply. Bassexpander, do you feel as if you've lost something here by having no tenable argument in the face of my photographic evidence which you asked me for and I then provided.
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| We've already established that you took photos of someone else's KEI-TEFL |
No, you haven't. You cannot. I say prove this, but then you get upset because you can't support anything you write/say. This washes away like much of what you say.
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| and that your friend Whistleblower works for Cambridge (same company as the CELTA). |
You can't support this claim anymore than you can say you and your friend Tob55 aren't in cohorts; for those unaware, Tob55 is a KEI-TEFL online tutor (Dr. Wayne Bottiger, Academic Advisor) who graded my online tests.
Again, I simply took the CELTA. I'm writing about and supporting it in the face of what I consider your misinformed message posts to this forum.
You disagree with me, call me a liar, but you truly have little to say except name-calling to those who have content to support a different TEFL course than you took. Get over it, Bassexpander, some people aren't in love with online TEFL courses. No one is calling you names like you are to me, I'm just asking you to talk about TEFLs and your reasons and support and non-support for particular ones. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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I've never met Wayne, although we have exchanged PMs. I have no financial interest in KEI, and have mentioned other TEFL programs for other people to check into, including ITTT and ITTO, which are on Dave's main page at www.eslcafe.com .
Have you ever met Whistleblower? He admits he works with Cambridge, who are the parent company for the CELTA.
I don't think you work for them, but perhaps you are getting a kickback for name-dropping. I'd have no way to prove that, though. It is rather odd how you, TECO, and Whistleblower (well, not him, since he works for Cambridge) keep posting and posting about the CELTA, however. Anyone can do a search using your nickname and CELTA as the keyword to see what I'm talking about.
It's not like I hate Cambridge or anything. I enjoy (and use) a few of their textbooks. I just dislike the way they go about pricing their CELTA program, and the obsessive free advertising posts on here that attempt to create a need for their 2.4 million won TEFL course. There are other approved courses out there that offer on-site teaching for 1/5 the price.
I just learned of a course through the former EFL-Law attorney (maybe he's still at EFL-Law?) that offers on-site training in Busan, and included tutoring from Rod Ellis. That sounds fabulous. The TEFL certificates were signed by Ellis himself.
That's what we need! We need more local TEFL training centers that offer solid training at a REASONABLE cost. |
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agoodmouse
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you ever met Whistleblower? He admits he works with Cambridge, who are the parent company for the CELTA. |
No, I haven't, Bassexpander. Whistleblower is simply, I take it, a person who took examinations with Cambridge and supports them, much the same way you took KEI-TEFL and support them. Each person (you, me, Whistleblower) all like our respective TEFL programs, so we all talk about them.
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| I don't think you work for them, but perhaps you are getting a kickback for name-dropping. I'd have no way to prove that, though. It is rather odd how you, TECO, and Whistleblower (well, not him, since he works for Cambridge) keep posting and posting about the CELTA, however. |
Again, let's get down to proven TEFL content rather than my hypothesizing you, Bassexpander, work for KEI-TEFL, and your insinuating I work for Cambridge.
Even if you did work for KEI-TEFL, I'd still listen to a reasoned argument with supporting content from you. If I was persuaded, I wouldn't feel bad or phony. Therefore, let's attack positions, not persons. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Have you ever met Whistleblower? He admits he works with Cambridge, who are the parent company for the CELTA. |
No, I haven't, Bassexpander. Whistleblower is simply, I take it, a person who took examinations with Cambridge and supports them, much the same way you took KEI-TEFL and support them. Each person (you, me, Whistleblower) all like our respective TEFL programs, so we all talk about them.
| Bassexpander wrote: |
| I don't think you work for them, but perhaps you are getting a kickback for name-dropping. I'd have no way to prove that, though. It is rather odd how you, TECO, and Whistleblower (well, not him, since he works for Cambridge) keep posting and posting about the CELTA, however. |
Again, let's get down to proven TEFL content rather than my hypothesizing you, Bassexpander, work for KEI-TEFL, and your insinuating I work for Cambridge.
Even if you did work for KEI-TEFL, I'd still listen to a reasoned argument with supporting content from you. If I was persuaded, I wouldn't feel bad or phony. Therefore, let's attack positions, not persons. |
Actually, I never took the KEI-TEFL. I just mentioned it as an alternative to high-cost, overpriced TEFL degrees. SMOE approves it (Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education). |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: |
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And I only supported the CELTA as I believe it is a high quality and yes, expensive, TEFL Course that really improves the teacher's ability in the classroom.
There is an opportunity for professional development with the examining route as well as other routes but I support the CELTA and other examinations from Cambridge ESOL because they have been around a lot longer than any online course. Their reputation is second to none and if you wish to get anywhere in this world you really need to associate (network) with people and organisations that are going places. It is the number one rule to develop professionally.
Nonetheless, as I have said before, I pity Bassexpander's professional and academic qualifications. You have been teaching in Korea for 5 years and you are still teaching. I have only been here for 2 years (since starting my career) and I am now examining. How did I achieve this? Through hard work, networking, being at the right place at the right time and meeting like minded individuals on the CELTA Course. If you wish to get anywhere in teaching, you need to pay your dues such as the CELTA. Again like I said, it is a quality course and has the opportunity for opening many chances in teaching/examining. That is why I like and support it.
Mouse, if you would like more information about getting into examining, please PM me. I would be happy to provide some more information about examining in Korea.
Bassexpander, please grow up and stop name calling. |
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agoodmouse
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, I never took the KEI-TEFL. I just mentioned it as an alternative to high-cost, overpriced TEFL degrees. SMOE approves it (Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education). |
Unbelievable. Bassexpander, you don't know anything about KEI-TEFL, yet you recommend it. I know the course, have written extensively about it here, and even provided you photographs.
One question, one notation.
1. Bassexpander, how can you in all honesty call me a liar? I don't need you to believe me, as I've already proven myself to everyone reading. Bassexpander, just say what evidence you have that I didn't take KEI-TEFL, other than your feeling that, as I don't recommend it but support another, I must be lying.
2. Bassexpander, this is how discourse works in the world: 1) Claim > 2) Justifications > 3) Conclusion.
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agoodmouse
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| Whistleblower, please PM me yours. I don't have PM ability yet. |
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aarontendo
Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| This thread needs to seriously be split, it's gotten damn far off topic and I think the OP had a valid thread going. |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| I just finished the ITTO course. It was easy as hell. Took me a month and a half on line, was work though. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Nonetheless, as I have said before, I pity Bassexpander's professional and academic qualifications. You have been teaching in Korea for 5 years and you are still teaching. I have only been here for 2 years (since starting my career) and I am now examining. How did I achieve this? Through hard work, networking, being at the right place at the right time and meeting like minded individuals on the CELTA Course. If you wish to get anywhere in teaching, you need to pay your dues such as the CELTA. Again like I said, it is a quality course and has the opportunity for opening many chances in teaching/examining. That is why I like and support it. |
And someone making 10 mill a month may pity you, what's your point?
You went about getting your "success" one way, and he another. Both of you seem relatively happy with your situation, so why all the need for judgement? |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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For a program nobody in Korea has ever heard of, you CELTA types are really smug.
And by the way, that's a moronic question. No, you don't need a TEFL Cert. if you have an MATESOL. |
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Craven Moorehead
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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There is absolutely nothing prestigious about teaching at a Uni in Korea, except to those who covet the easy workload. There is no academic rigor involved whatsoever. You do not design your own syllabus; you are working at a hagwon for 18-24 year olds. Once more you are a glorified babysitter, except that you work 12-20 hours a week and get a buttload more vacation time.
Get over it people. Don't hate the playa, hate the game. The number of schlubs here with BA's "teaching " at Unis is beyond counting.
Think about it this way: when I was teaching at a Uni in Canada, it was recommended that you prepare 3 hours for every hour taught. In Korea, I could prepare for a week's worth of Uni classes in 45 minutes. TEFL certification is not required to teach at any level here. It isn't until you get back to countries with actual requirements for teaching credentials that you should worry about this stuff. |
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