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PBR streetgang 21, I really admire yr intellect and I agree with everything you say. But I think you're wasting yr time with this lot, who aren't really up to it and are not worthy of yr efforts.

Long may you live!!!

[PBRstreetgang21]

Ok Itaewonguy I think we are going on two streams of thought here, on the one had we have weather religion is god or bad, and on the other we have the existence of God.

I think on the former, I am going to call it quits. The fact of the matter is I feel I have presented a fairly adequate case to show why religion has been a malignant force. To say nothing of what basic history text books teach and to say nothing of the fact that a great many religious leaders even attest to the atrocities of religion. If you cannot accept that even among religious people, the true totalitarian aspects of religion are in no way in dispute I cannot continue this. Especially condering I have yet to hear you respond to the question, what moral act can a religious person than a non-religious person cannot person, and its corallary, what evil act can a religious person perform than a non religous could not. Im sorry but that question pretty much makes my case.

Now to the latter: You insist that SCIENCE is creating scenarios. Science is not creating ANYTHING. Science is merely analyzing the available facts to explain the origins of our existence. Science is not in the business of proving or disproving God, its in the business of explaining how things work, and it explains a great deal of how our universe and humans work. It has reached the point however where it says the universe works, if there is a God if there is not a God science makes no answer, it presumes nothing, it is HUMBLE on the matter. All science says, there is no reason why one should suppose there is a God. We live in a capricious and chaotic universe. Billions of stars and galaxies are being destroyed as we speak, our sun is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode and annhilate us all, our planet which is the only one that can support life, because most of the other rocks in our solar system are to hot or too cold or too poisonous to do so, is still cooling and settling and wreaking havoc on the creatures that live here. 98% of all species ever having existed have been extinct and passed on. We are lcuky we even made it to where we are, considering not just the chaos of our planet but considering that scientists have pretty much determined that humans have existed for somewhere between 200-100,000 years for most of which time we were killing eachother, dying of disease, die from simple tooth injuries and animals. Falls would kill us, and if you made it 25-30 you were lucky. We exist on a very sharp precipice and if we are not careful we can easily push or be pushed by natural occurance off of it. These are the facts. Incontravertable. Now science says, this is this. Someone else now comes along and says, "No this isnt chaos, this isnt destruction, this is perfect and someone made it!" I mean to believe that the arbitrary and cruel universe was designed this way implies either a very stupid, or very malicious creator. Thats if you assume one exists, and why should you; on what basis? But not only people insist that this was the handiwork of a higher being (which to do so you really have you work cut out for you) they insist they know what this being wants of us. They no what sexual positions he likes us to use, what he likes us to eat, what body parts are ok to touch, what language is permissable to use, how we should treat those of different colors, etc etc. To believe that this was designed this way is a massive leap, but to go from that to "we know his thought process?" I cannot think of anything more perposterous, malignant, or MADE UP than that. Its hucksterism, and yet you are insisting that SCIENCE is making scenarios? Seriously?


Science does explain and proves quite well how we came to exist, how we came to talk, and walk, and breathe, and all that jazz. There are unanswered questions, but not as many as you think, and the ones that have been answered--- have nothing to with a God.

Im glad we can agree it needs to stay out of public life though and we do recognize individuals rights to believe and practice as they see fit. I would heed your suggestion to write to my congressman, except there is one problem--- my congressman thinks that teaching creationism is Gods will, and Gods will is more important than the US Constitution to him. This is the problem. Religion cannot keep itself out of the public square. It never does, and it never will.

[Adventurer]

I actually do like the Dalai Lama. However, there are many great spiritual authors out there. The Dalai Lama seems like a decent person. I don't have a bad impression of him. I can't say I've really have been very interested in his books. I took some good ideas from them, however. I did like Yogananda's book "Autobiography of a Yogi". It was an interesting read.

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[Justin Hale]

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[PBRstreetgang21]

Itaewonguy:

Please present me with argument that has some basis in the reality in which live, using firm evidence to suppose the existence of God. You have only given me only mental suppositions. Thats all I have ever heard. Thats why I quit the debates on nature of trinity, put my Liturgy of the Hours on the shelf, took my last communion, lit my last candle, and realized try as I might I could never go to seminary after graduation and be a priest like I had always dreamed (but I could teach english in Korea!). There is nothing prove the existence of God other than the purest of conjecture.

There are many intelligent people in this world who do belive in God and are religious. But the higher a persons intelligence, and the more qualified they are, the more degrees they have, the more likely you are to find that they are very nebulous in their piety. "Well I dont think Moses REALLY parted the Red Sea...." "Jesus didnt REALLY bring Lazarus back..." etc, ect.

You get so much "well I think what they were REALLY trying to say"

Life of Brian: "Blessed are the peacemakers!"

[Justin Hale]