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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Honestly, have to wait to see what pricing is like in August. But from what I have been reading, the 4870 is about 10% less performance from a GX280, with about 40+% lower price tag. What res are you running these days, CL? |
on games? 1280 x 1024 as that is all my monitor can handle (I need a new monitor). |
Well, this explains the freakish performance you have been experiencing in games.
1280x1024 is the latest 800x600. |
 Yeah, my monitor is a bit old, but I cannot justify buying a new one when this 22" runs just fine. |
Hmm....with that logic CL, you won't buy much now, will you?
Seriously, why buy a smoking graphics card that can't even stretch it's legs? These newer cards are made for high-res; one that when utilized, doesn't make much of an argument for using AA. AF for sure, but at a certain pixel density, the returns on AA are negligible. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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I play Crysis at 1280x1024..........my HD3870 can just about manage that with mostly High and some Medium settings.
No doubt some card manufacturers are going to put 1GB of DDR5 on HD4870's sooner or later. With that kind of memory bandwidth, and the amazing R770 chip, one could hope to play Crysis on High at 1680x1050. I'd sure be happy with that.
Also, the temps on the early examples of HD4*** cards seem too high. I think they need to sort out the fan settings. I'll be happy to wait until September/October before getting an HD4870 with 1GB GDDR5. Double slot. |
DAAMIT maintained the same mounting system/ geometry for the 48xx series as the 38xx series, so any aftermarket cooler that fits the latter will also work with the former. |
I've never fitted an aftermarket cooler on a graphics card. I'd be willing to try though. Can't be that hard.
Thing is, I don't really see that I should have to. The card should come with adequate cooling.
On the other hand, we put aftermarket coolers on CPU's......but that's usually cuz we're overclocking. If I had an HD4870 with 1GB DDR5 I probably wouldn't bother OCing it. The returns would be minimal. Maybe 10%. That might add another 3 FPS on the intensive games like Crysis. Not really worth it.
Anyway, it's something to look into. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Buy a HIS |
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chevro1et
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| There are some mods already (both hardmods and bios flashes) for increasing the fanspeed of the 48xx series cards. I imagine that the next revision of RivaTuner will also include fan controls for this series of cards. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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cubanlord
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Bigfeet
Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Now that looks like a nice price. High-end cards these days are so long that you need a full-size case to fit them in comfortably. Plus beefed up power supplies. |
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chevro1et
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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You're banging your head against a brick wall, Chevrolet. CL is going to buy an Nvidia card no matter what price or what the benchmarks say. |
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chevro1et
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Yea, I just hate to see people spend money on last gen tech when current gen is cheaper and (in this case) a better price:performance purchase. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to mention that ATi drivers will mature and performance will only increase |
I can vouch for that. My HD3870/E6750/P35/4GB rig scored P4006 on PCmark Vantage when using last month's drivers, 8.5. Then, I downloaded the June release, 8.6, and ran Vantage again. Lo and behold, P4667!!! A 600 points increase from one months drivers to the next! That's quite a performance jump for a simple driver download.
These HD4000 cards are on their first set of drivers!! And they're already whipping Nvidia! Think what they will be like in a couple of months............. Especially when there's 1GB of DDR5 on the 4870's. |
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chevro1et
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Location: Busan, ROK
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to mention that ATi drivers will mature and performance will only increase |
I can vouch for that. My HD3870/E6750/P35/4GB rig scored P4006 on PCmark Vantage when using last month's drivers, 8.5. Then, I downloaded the June release, 8.6, and ran Vantage again. Lo and behold, P4667!!! A 600 points increase from one months drivers to the next! That's quite a performance jump for a simple driver download.
These HD4000 cards are on their first set of drivers!! And they're already whipping Nvidia! Think what they will be like in a couple of months............. Especially when there's 1GB of DDR5 on the 4870's. |
Thats great for you, and thats the point of new drivers, right? (no sarcasm, legit point here). Anyways, sythetic benchmarks and in-game performance are not always synonomous. Its easy to write drivers to whip the crap out of a sythetic benchmarking suite. Thats why a synthetic benchmark may be a good indicator, but nothing really can compare with real, in-game performance numbers generated from a consistant time demo or a game witha built-in benchmark. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| Not to mention that ATi drivers will mature and performance will only increase |
I can vouch for that. My HD3870/E6750/P35/4GB rig scored P4006 on PCmark Vantage when using last month's drivers, 8.5. Then, I downloaded the June release, 8.6, and ran Vantage again. Lo and behold, P4667!!! A 600 points increase from one months drivers to the next! That's quite a performance jump for a simple driver download.
These HD4000 cards are on their first set of drivers!! And they're already whipping Nvidia! Think what they will be like in a couple of months............. Especially when there's 1GB of DDR5 on the 4870's. |
Thats great for you, and thats the point of new drivers, right? (no sarcasm, legit point here). Anyways, sythetic benchmarks and in-game performance are not always synonomous. Its easy to write drivers to whip the crap out of a sythetic benchmarking suite. Thats why a synthetic benchmark may be a good indicator, but nothing really can compare with real, in-game performance numbers generated from a consistant time demo or a game witha built-in benchmark. |
True, of course.
I'd like to think that new drivers by ATI or Nvidia do actually improve in-game FPS rather than just catering to 3Dmark-xx.
I don't really bench my system in actual games, so I don't know if the new drivers have made any difference there. Online talk suggests they have for other people. Many have reported a performance jump in game FPS since installing ATI 8.6........especially in the HD3000 series. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Chevy,
It out performs it by 2 or 5 fps when you increase the resolution (for COD4. Cyrsis is even lower). Also, the price is not the same. The 4850 goes for 200 solid while the 9800GTX goes for 200 but comes with a $40 game. So, remove the game and the card is really $160. And that is if you are playing the games (or trying to play the games) at extremely high resolutions that often times will only yield choppy game play due to the system's inability to compensate for the demand being exacted from the system. I mean s.h.i.t., who is going to play the game at 2560x1600? No system can handle that, at least right now. Now, 1600 x 1200...maybe. But you have to realize that some games respond differently to the cards depending on the coding. Just look at the different games. I may very well go with the 4850; it depends on what Tiger Direct has going on August 11th (my buying date). |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Location: Your computer screen
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Well the 4850 has the advantage at lower resolutions because of superior AA. |
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