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Konundrum
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| kelly wrote: |
| Well I attend church every Sunday, and if my son was baptized I would be sure to take him to church with me, but looks like it won't happen until we leave Korea, and go back to the US and become community and church members, I just feel that its unfair to my son, why should he be denied becoming a Catholic just because his dad isn't, somehow it just doesn't seem right. |
She can take him to church. You did not read both her posts. |
By saying "and IF my son was baptized I would be sure to take him too", the implication is that she will not take him until he is baptised. I totally agree that she CAN... but she implies she WILL not until he is baptised. You should read more carefully.
BTW...My best friend could not be married in a Catholic church unless he did the classes and counselling and all that stuff too...and he did it (much to the chagrin of his Lutheran mother) because they also said his children would not/could not be baptised unless both parents were Catholic...and this was in Canada...it's not just a Korea thing. |
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The Man known as The Man
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Father Geoghand is still Catholic.
Good news: Father Geoghan is DEAD. |
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kelly
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah I can take him to church, but can't get him baptized here, thats the messed up part. Right now he's only 10 weeks old, and still a little to young to attend mass, incase he starts yelling in the middle of it, but in a few more weeks when he's a little more mature I'll be sure to take him. |
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wild sphere
Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:09 am Post subject: |
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i've been following this thread for some time now and i find it helps me sleep.
kelly, that must be the cutest baby i've ever seen in all the babies i've seen in korea...baby! if you're having problems getting your baby to sleep, read this thread to your baby 
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kelly
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:23 am Post subject: |
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wild sphere
Joined: 11 Dec 2004
Location: i might as well be on mars 'cause that's how far away i feel from you.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:29 am Post subject: |
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i'm sorry. i take it back. i'm just jealous because i don't have a baby and i'm unable to get pregnant. 
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
Father Geoghand is still Catholic.
Good news: Father Geoghan is DEAD. |
Isn't this a TOS violation? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Konundrum wrote: |
By saying "and IF my son was baptized I would be sure to take him too", the implication is that she will not take him until he is baptised. I totally agree that she CAN... but she implies she WILL not until he is baptised. You should read more carefully.
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No, that is not her implication. She was stating the obvious. Don't try to take me on. |
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kelly
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Kangnamdragon maybe you could give me some information about this. Its my belief (well what I was taught in religion class) that if a child that is not baptized dies, they are not allowed to be buried in the same churchyard as the "other" catholics and that they don't go to heaven, limbo is what we were told. Now the reason I'm wondering if this is true is because my brother was stillborn( this was about 26 years ago)and was not allowed to be buried among the rest of our family, there was a special place in the churchyard for unbaptized children. Is it still the same way, and is it a catholic belief that they don't go to heaven? Its a strange thought seeing as young children have the least amount of sin among us...... |
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Konundrum
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:33 am Post subject: |
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From "the Catholic Encyclopaedia":
XI. UNBAPTIZED INFANTS
The fate of infants who die without baptism must be briefly considered here. The Catholic teaching is uncompromising on this point, that all who depart this life without baptism, be it of water, or blood, or desire, are perpetually excluded from the vision of God. This teaching is grounded, as we have seen, on Scripture and tradition, and the decrees of the Church. Moreover, that those who die in original sin, without ever having contracted any actual sin, are deprived of the happiness of heaven is stated explicitly in the Confession of Faith of the Eastern Emperor Michael Pal��ologus, which had been proposed to him by Pope Clement IV in 1267, and which he accepted in the presence of Gregory X at the Second Council of Lyons in 1274. The same doctrine is found also in the Decree of Union of the Greeks, in the Bull "L��tentur Caeli" of Pope Eugene IV, in the Profession of Faith prescribed for the Greeks by Pope Gregory XIII, and in that authorized for the Orientals by Urban VIII and Benedict XIV. Many Catholic theologians have declared that infants dying without baptism are excluded from the beatific vision; but as to the exact state of these souls in the next world they are not agreed.
This is the site: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02258b.htm#XI
There's a lot of info pertaining to your husband and marriage stuff too. |
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Konundrum
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| Konundrum wrote: |
By saying "and IF my son was baptized I would be sure to take him too", the implication is that she will not take him until he is baptised. I totally agree that she CAN... but she implies she WILL not until he is baptised. You should read more carefully.
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No, that is not her implication. She was stating the obvious. Don't try to take me on. |
I wouldn't DREAM of taking you on. [/b]IF I was taking you on, I would say that IF you don't understand the implications of the word IF, you probably shouldn't be teaching English. That would be obvious IF it were my intention...but it's not. IF I could read minds, I guess I would've pick up on her implications from the few words she typed...but I'm not. IF I caused you any stress, I apologise. |
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The Man known as The Man
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Are the fellwo priests who helped in covering up Geoghans' crimses agsinst children still catholic?
What about the bishop?
Is the archbishop still catholic?
What about the children who rightfully renounced their Catholicism? Are they still Catholic, especially in the eyes of those who tried to coverup Geoghan's 'indiscretions?' |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| kelly wrote: |
| Kangnamdragon maybe you could give me some information about this. Its my belief (well what I was taught in religion class) that if a child that is not baptized dies, they are not allowed to be buried in the same churchyard as the "other" catholics and that they don't go to heaven, limbo is what we were told. Now the reason I'm wondering if this is true is because my brother was stillborn( this was about 26 years ago)and was not allowed to be buried among the rest of our family, there was a special place in the churchyard for unbaptized children. Is it still the same way, and is it a catholic belief that they don't go to heaven? Its a strange thought seeing as young children have the least amount of sin among us...... |
No, that is not how it is now. I suggest you PM me or discuss this with an English speaking priest. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Konundrum wrote: |
| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| Konundrum wrote: |
By saying "and IF my son was baptized I would be sure to take him too", the implication is that she will not take him until he is baptised. I totally agree that she CAN... but she implies she WILL not until he is baptised. You should read more carefully.
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No, that is not her implication. She was stating the obvious. Don't try to take me on. |
I wouldn't DREAM of taking you on. [/b]IF I was taking you on, I would say that IF you don't understand the implications of the word IF, you probably shouldn't be teaching English. That would be obvious IF it were my intention...but it's not. IF I could read minds, I guess I would've pick up on her implications from the few words she typed...but I'm not. IF I caused you any stress, I apologise. |
Fortunately for Koreans then, I am not a teacher. |
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red dog
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
Father Geoghand is still Catholic.
Good news: Father Geoghan is DEAD. |
Isn't this a TOS violation? |
Kangnamdragon, you're joking, right? Of all the posts the moderators could possibly take issue with, you want them to worry about this one? For dog's sake, the priest isn't even around to read this discussion and be offended. |
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