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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1: GYM-
join a gym, do 40mins - 1hour on the treadmill pace walk at about 7-8 jog in there too if you can, its up to you, but don�t over do it so you hate, it just get your heart going...do this 3 or 4 times a week.. Then do some weights! Not to heavy weight you don�t want to get big.. LIGHT WEIGHTS AND MORE REPS is key here for you... hit the gym 3-5 times week and keep the routine for 3 months! It�s only a season!! Force yourself in there! You will feel so much better when you walk out of there!! Go 3 times a week!!!

2: DIET!
Diet is everything you can lose all the weight without even lifting a finger with a good diet... but hey you are pushing 40 so you might as well be healthy so hitting the gym is a must...it needs to become a life style.
Cut out all sugar or at least 50% to start! Stick with diet coke! Limit candy bars to when you really crave it, don�t punish yourself by forcing yourself to not have what you want. Just be sensible. If you start to force yourself to not have things you crave. You will eventually crack... eat what you want but limit it and know when you have had too much of it, be smart here...nothing wrong with a treat.
I think you know what to eat! You know what is good and what is not...
You could try eating 5 meals a day! It�s tricky but if you can do it for 3 months it will help... but who has time for that I know...
Stick with 3, make them healthy! Carbs 2 hours before you work out! No carbs after you work out... protein after you work out... don�t eat huge meals... fruit for snacks!

No beer, No juices, DRINK GREEN TEA!!! Water or diet coke!

4: my advice is... basically you need willpower, it�s a chore but dude you have to do it... and most importantly you need motivation!!
You need a purpose to hit the gym, you need a purpose to stay on track you need a reason to give a Fukc!!
Once you have that passion, motivation you get into the gym... most people don�t like going to the gym, they just know they should so they begin to enjoy it; some love it, some don�t! It�s all about going!!
Especially if you are married and pushing 40 the motivation to look good for the ladies has kind of gone
Fall into that comfort zone..
Arnie use to say, whenever he worked out he would think of girls finding him sexy!
Find something which works for you...
DONT GIVE UP!! If you find time to go to work! And do podcasts and watch movies etc..
You can find time to hit the gym for an hour..

5: snacks, hunger cravings and low energy...
Ok when you are hungry between classes a candy bar seems great, gives you that spike you need, not good... best to pack small meals (snacks) in your bag so when you feel hungry just have a mouth full of some tuna salad or something find something else to nibble on which is not packed full of sugar or fats.... save chocolates for twice a week or when you are really craving it!, don�t abuse it! Limit it down to certain days!
Don�t eliminate carbs! Because your brain will over power you and you will find yourself munching on two bigmacs by the end of the day, eat enough but just limit it, to clean carbs! Bread is not one of them!
Nothing wrong with fast food in moderation!
Arghhhh RICE!! Well, yes look at Koreans thin as pencils and they eat 2 bowls of rice how do they do it! Well genetics! Your father is a big man! So genetically it�s easy for you to gain weight... so you need to work at it...
If you eat 3 meals you shouldn�t find yourself getting hungry too often...

But when you do, drink some tea! Or have some fruit, that�s right actually buy an apple from a Korean guy down the street and eat it...
Chit buy two!
Discipline! Buy the way-7/11 has nothing worth eating for you now!!

Good luck and don�t give up
The key is sticking with it..
Ig
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
btw.. boxofchocolates.

re complaining about fat Western women comment.

all I will say on that subject is in my vast observation among expats and many tourists.... is that for WHATEVER reason there are more fat(ter) women than men among North Americans (and Brits and Germans). I am not sure why, but it's a FACT. for every 4 fat guys out of 10, you'll find 6 fat girls if not 7.

this is NOT an issue for non fat Europeans like the French..(and much less so for Quebecois Canadians rather than their "English" counterparts) ..Their women all have great bodies. Part of it is cultural.it's just less "acceptable" for women, particularly among themselves, to get fat.

can't comment on the cause/effect but the data is overwhelming.


Honestly, bogey666, so what. Who cares? Are you still in asia? There are tonnes of thin pretty chicks around. All of this time you spend talking about overweight women and how gross it is, why not spend it thinking about super hot chicks and how awsome they are. You'd be so much happier!!
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Temporary



Joined: 13 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkunsan wrote:
Hey fattie, why can't you just lose the weight.. EXERCISE.. EAT LESS.. it really isn't that hard... why do you need the approval and help of strangers on a message board?


If it was that easy then every one would be cut and shredded like Brad Pitt in the Fight Club. Sad truth is that is friggen hard to loose weight. Most people lack knowledge regarding proper diets. It also goes for exercise routines.

I had a hard time but I've been doing it for 3 years now pretty dilagently, its part of my daily routine. It effects my mood and my abilities to function normally when I don't work out.

Of course what I do by any stretch is not healthy. I work out close to 12-15 hours a week. I have done it all some stuff that I do would make you drop your jaw to the floor and say WTF is wrong with you.. But I do it because I love my sport and I am a masochist Razz
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aka Dave



Joined: 02 May 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple things. I drink a lot of beer. I eat well, usually fairly clean, good fats and proteins.

If you use the "Starting Strength program" and if you squat/deadlift/power clean/ bench/press and use the additional exercises like say dips and chin ups you will have my problem, even if you drink beers on the weekend.
You will have trouble "putting on" weight. Currently I cannot get myself to 65 kilos. I'm lifting more, but not by a lot.

Honestly if you want to lose weight. Squat. Then deadlift. Then press. And substitute the dips for the bench press. You want full body exercises that work your entire system. On the second workout chin-up/pull-up/ power clean (hard to learn but worth it) and then maybe push press and squat again (actually every workout you should be squatting. It's the god lift).

You will get to a point where you can't eat enough.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
bogey666 wrote:
btw.. boxofchocolates.

re complaining about fat Western women comment.

all I will say on that subject is in my vast observation among expats and many tourists.... is that for WHATEVER reason there are more fat(ter) women than men among North Americans (and Brits and Germans). I am not sure why, but it's a FACT. for every 4 fat guys out of 10, you'll find 6 fat girls if not 7.

this is NOT an issue for non fat Europeans like the French..(and much less so for Quebecois Canadians rather than their "English" counterparts) ..Their women all have great bodies. Part of it is cultural.it's just less "acceptable" for women, particularly among themselves, to get fat.

can't comment on the cause/effect but the data is overwhelming.


Honestly, bogey666, so what. Who cares? Are you still in asia? There are tonnes of thin pretty chicks around. All of this time you spend talking about overweight women and how gross it is, why not spend it thinking about super hot chicks and how awsome they are. You'd be so much happier!!


I'm not really into Asian chicks. I prefer my women a little meatier.. (though you and I would clearly have different opinions on what constitutes this)

hottest women I've seen recently were in Bali. Some incredible physical specimens. Mostly European... I think of the Dutch variety.
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
I'm not really into Asian chicks. I prefer my women a little meatier.. (though you and I would clearly have different opinions on what constitutes this)

hottest women I've seen recently were in Bali. Some incredible physical specimens. Mostly European... I think of the Dutch variety.


Haha, good on you bogey666. You travel a fair bit, don't you?

In keeping with the thread people have suggested bulking up on muscle to loose weight. How do you feel about muscles on a woman?
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rbecky_5574



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stop eating the sugar and stop drinking

that should do it Wink
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from everything else, walking is very good for you. Get at least a 20 minute walk every day.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
bogey666 wrote:
I'm not really into Asian chicks. I prefer my women a little meatier.. (though you and I would clearly have different opinions on what constitutes this)

hottest women I've seen recently were in Bali. Some incredible physical specimens. Mostly European... I think of the Dutch variety.


Haha, good on you bogey666. You travel a fair bit, don't you?

In keeping with the thread people have suggested bulking up on muscle to loose weight. How do you feel about muscles on a woman?


Indeed I do. Thinking long and hard about going to Brazil this winter.. the land of the bunda.. that will get me about as FAR geographically and culturally from Korea as possible hahahahahaha I won't want to return.

re your question.
are you referring to pure aesthetics? a bodybuilding perspective/question?

personally, from an aesthetic standpoint, I don't much care for them, though I certainly like an athletic physique, rather than some frail and skinny bitty.

You should know that though this varies from person to person, it's rather DIFFICULT for a woman to really build up her muscles. The reason is physiological, one needs testosterone to achieve muscular hypertrophy (aka growth) and though women have some, it's not really nearly "enough" for this purpose.

Now you know why all the old female bodybuilders and many of the Eastern European Communist Olympic athletes all looked like men (replete with square jaws, sometimes even facial hair, etc) They were taking steroids and in all likelihood testosterone.

Other than this point, the basic principle of more lean mass raising everyone's BMI (resting metabolic rate) , whether it man or woman stands.... but it must be admitted that it's easier for the guy because he can achieve this more easily.

However, weight and "problem areas" notwithstanding (since it's often impossible to "spot reduce) bodyshaping and firming up should help a gal's appearance and self esteem just as much as a guy's. Depending on what you're after, girls will focus on different exercises and do a different workout than a guy.

(for e.g. a woman will be far more interested in her hips/butt/legs than say her chest/shoulders which is often the prime focus for a guy)
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aka Dave wrote:
You will have trouble "putting on" weight. Currently I cannot get myself to 65 kilos. I'm lifting more, but not by a lot.


err...

Dave is that a misprint?
65 kilos? as in barely 145 lbs?
are you talking about your girlfriend's weight?

or... err.. umm.. are you vertically challenged?

I know guys that take dumps that weigh more than that Smile
don't mean to offend but in my youth I was friends with a guy who was probably around 5-8, maybe 5-9 and weighed around 150.. and he was as skinny as a rail.
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aka Dave



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
aka Dave wrote:
You will have trouble "putting on" weight. Currently I cannot get myself to 65 kilos. I'm lifting more, but not by a lot.


err...

Dave is that a misprint?
65 kilos? as in barely 145 lbs?
are you talking about your girlfriend's weight?

or... err.. umm.. are you vertically challenged?

I know guys that take dumps that weigh more than that Smile
don't mean to offend but in my youth I was friends with a guy who was probably around 5-8, maybe 5-9 and weighed around 150.. and he was as skinny as a rail.


Before I started lifting I lifting I was running 40 to 50 miles a week. My diet is veggies, non-fat milk, tuna, shrimp, egg whites etc. I'd rather be healthy than bulky even though i'm lifting.

I'm slim. Not gonna claim to being a big guy, genetics means I'm not and that's not a big deal for me. Right now I'm dead lifting 72 kilos and I'm zerch squatting (no squat rack) essentially my weight at 60 kilos. I do barbell rows (each from the ground) at 55 kilos. My press isn't great I'm working on form more at the moment.

Impressive? No. But I'm just getting started. I can do 120 push ups in a row, btw. Can you?
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Before I started lifting I lifting I was running 40 to 50 miles a week. My diet is veggies, non-fat milk, tuna, shrimp, egg whites etc. I'd rather be healthy than bulky even though i'm lifting.

I'm slim. Not gonna claim to being a big guy, genetics means I'm not and that's not a big deal for me. Right now I'm dead lifting 72 kilos and I'm zerch squatting (no squat rack) essentially my weight at 60 kilos. I do barbell rows (each from the ground) at 55 kilos. My press isn't great I'm working on form more at the moment.

Impressive? No. But I'm just getting started. I can do 120 push ups in a row, btw. Can you?


not questioning your athleticism nor certainly your strength for your bodyweight. You'd surely have me massively beat in the pound for pound dept. (albeit those aren't really fair comparisons for various reasons).

anyways - I think you kind of took it the wrong way or perhaps I should have realized you were really a smaller guy.

anyways, kudos.. genetics suck, we all have our beasts of burden.
I'm glad you've gotten into lifting.. I've always personally (whether correctly/fairly or not) have taken dim views of long distance runners and especially their "physiques".
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seoulteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A kinda interesting juxtaposition there: first Livinginkunsan's post, then EzeWong's. Thanks, EzeWong! Good, helpful points.

Livinginkunsan, are you young (as in your 20s)? Still lean and with ribs showing? I well remember when I was like that: those were the days - I was a competitive swimmer and didn't have to worry about putting on a lb; I could eat whatever and whenever and how much I wanted. Developed terrible eating habits (not that they were that out of the norm), and I stopped exercising - and for years nothing too much happened weight wise. (Actually, looking back now, I was gaining weight but, by appearance anyways, it passed for OK).

And I didn't have any understanding of how easy, and I'm thinking of especially as we get older, it can be to become overweight - it seems to often happen without us realizing its happening. And without having faced that personal challenge I may have not have had empathy for the other.

Personally, I think that we - and I'm thinking of North Americans, primarily - have settled in to a whole way of eating that is toxic: its almost as if so much of what passes for a normal diet is very unhealthy. I really think that we need to take a leaf out of that budgeting technique that Jimmy Carter brought to prominence, 'zero-based budgeting': everything, every type of food item that we eat, must be justified, nothing is (automatically) sacred.

Oh, apart from becoming increasingly overweight over the years, I was becoming increasingly lethargic. This is all super critical stuff.

And here's an article that caught my eye yesterday - a lot here that, at first appearance anyways, seems well worth considering:
'Woman goes raw, loses more than half herself (CNN)'
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/09/26/weightloss.angela.stokes/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

And the video of her telling her story:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/health/2008/09/23/gupta.fn.raw.food.stokes.cnn
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aka Dave



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
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Before I started lifting I lifting I was running 40 to 50 miles a week. My diet is veggies, non-fat milk, tuna, shrimp, egg whites etc. I'd rather be healthy than bulky even though i'm lifting.

I'm slim. Not gonna claim to being a big guy, genetics means I'm not and that's not a big deal for me. Right now I'm dead lifting 72 kilos and I'm zerch squatting (no squat rack) essentially my weight at 60 kilos. I do barbell rows (each from the ground) at 55 kilos. My press isn't great I'm working on form more at the moment.

Impressive? No. But I'm just getting started. I can do 120 push ups in a row, btw. Can you?


not questioning your athleticism nor certainly your strength for your bodyweight. You'd surely have me massively beat in the pound for pound dept. (albeit those aren't really fair comparisons for various reasons).

anyways - I think you kind of took it the wrong way or perhaps I should have realized you were really a smaller guy.

anyways, kudos.. genetics suck, we all have our beasts of burden.
I'm glad you've gotten into lifting.. I've always personally (whether correctly/fairly or not) have taken dim views of long distance runners and especially their "physiques".


I got a little ego sensitive and posted a reactionary post. My original post wasn't about *me! me! me!* .

It as about a program. I really, honestly believe if you want to lose weight efficiently and quickly you order up Starting Strength and you learn the lifts. I was a hardcore runner. You can have zero body fat doing that, but you spend 15 hours a week running and it's really almost a part time job.

Squatting hardcore will cut that time by 200 percent. Another thing is technique with the squat. I very rarely see Koreans squat correctly - they use the Smith machine (very bad idea) and half squat *at best*. I've actually seen Koreans load the bar with tons of weight and smith squat like 6 inches, essentially working only their calves. That's just crazy.

It's not the weight on bar. You have to do the exercise right with proper form, going way below parallel for your squats. You can half squat "150 kilos" and that is *meaningless*. Control a free bar and go below parallel and you will dump that 150 kilos fast.

Anyway, I know it sounds like I'm shilling for Starting Strenghth. But if you want to lose weight fast it's the only way to go, in terms of time spent.
This article is decent for people who train alot.

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/PlannedOvertraining.html
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

god I hate squats (though I acknowledge it's a great exercise)

one thing I hate about squats is my I am super uncomfortable holding the bar with my arms.. so I usually just extend them all the way out, with my palms on top of the weights at the end.. instead of grabbing the bar.. otherwise very uncomfortable.

I've read a fair amount of debate about parallel vs going below parallel.

I've decided since I'm older and had knee surgery on one knee a while back, it's not worth taking any risks to go below parallel for me.

I'd only do it if my glutes were turning to complete jelly because that's what you work the most when you go lower than parallel. Your ass.
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