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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Binch Lover wrote: |
Mmmm, I don't think any responsible parent would have a gun in their house, whether it's locked up or not.
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That's very unfair to say. There are many responsible people that own guns. They take care of them, clean them, keep them unloaded and locked away. They teach gun safety to their family if needed. They take every precaution one should take when being a gun owner. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| mortundo wrote: |
| That Pkang0202 is some D@ck Head eh? |
I'm just passionate about gun ownership. The reason being:
1. Majority of the public is ignorant to gun laws. There is a great misconception about gun owners and gun laws.
2. Guns are vilified when it should be the people that irresponsibly use the weapons that should be vilified. If you have children, then the number 1 priority should be making sure you Child-proof your gun, not the kitchen cabinet.
3. There are bad people with guns out there. Even if you outlaw guns and make them illegals, those bad people aren't going to give up their guns. So, I'd rather take my chances WITH a gun, then be helpless without.
You think I would never be in a situation to use my gun? In the shopping center where my parents own a shop, there have been numerous armed robberies, and unfortunate deaths where the criminals shot the owners. In fact, I remember 5 years ago this one guy tried to rob the Rent a Center with a handgun. The owner went to the back, came back out with a 12 gauge pump, cocked it and chased the robber out of the store. I saw the whole thing. |
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manlyboy
Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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For me, this incident says it all:
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| I live in northern New England, which has a very low crime rate, in part because it has a high rate of gun ownership. We do have the occasional murder, however. A few years back, a couple of alienated loser teens from a small Vermont town decided they were going to kill somebody, steal his ATM cards, and go to Australia. So they went to a remote house in the woods a couple of towns away, knocked on the door, and said their car had broken down. The guy thought their story smelled funny so he picked up his Glock and told �em to get lost. So they concocted a better story, and pretended to be students doing an environmental survey. Unfortunately, the next old coot in the woods was sick of environmentalists and chased �em away. Eventually they figured they could spend months knocking on doors in rural Vermont and New Hampshire and seeing nothing for their pains but cranky guys in plaid leveling both barrels through the screen door. So even these idiots worked it out: where�s the nearest place around here where you�re most likely to encounter gullible defenseless types who have foresworn all means of resistance? Answer: Dartmouth College. So they drove over the Connecticut River, rang the doorbell, and brutally murdered a couple of well-meaning liberal professors. Two depraved misfits of crushing stupidity (to judge from their diaries) had nevertheless identified precisely the easiest murder victims in the twin-state area. To promote vulnerability as a moral virtue is not merely foolish. Like the new Yale props department policy, it signals to everyone that you�re not in the real world. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/08/16/close_the_gun_show_loophole/
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| At approximately 5,000 gun shows each year in 32 states, criminals and terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms from private gun dealers without an ID or background check. |
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Consider the following examples.
A manual titled, "How Can I Train Myself for Jihad" was found in September, 2001, among the rubble at a training facility for a radical Pakistan-based Islamic terrorist organization. The manual contained a chapter on "Firearms Training" and singled out the United States for its easy availability of firearms. It also named the states where Al Qaeda members in the United States could "obtain an assault weapon legally, preferably AK-47 or variations."
In Texas, Muhammad Asrar was arrested in an investigation of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. He pleaded guilty to immigration violations and illegal possession of ammunition. The Pakistani store owner said he had bought handguns, rifles, and a submachine gun at gun shows since 1994.
On Sept. 10, 2001, just one day before the devastating attacks against the United States, Ali Boumelhem was convicted in Michigan on a variety of weapons violations plus conspiracy to ship weapons to the terrorist organization Hezbollah. He and his brother Mohamed had purchased an arsenal weapons from Michigan gun shows without undergoing background checks.
On April 20, 1999, in the deadliest high school shooting in US history, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold procured two shotguns, an assault rifle, and a TEC-9 assault pistol and shot 26 students in Littleton, Colo., killing 13 before killing themselves. An ATF investigation found that all four weapons had been purchased from private sellers at gun shows. Three of the guns were purchased by Robyn Anderson, a friend of both Harris and Klebold. Anderson said that she would not have purchased the guns for the teens if she had been required to undergo a background check at the gun show.
Branch Davidian cult leader David Koresh used Texas gun shows to make large gun purchases. According to an ATF arrest warrant, Koresh and his cult made "regular purchases of weapons and ammunition [from] flea markets and gun shows." Authorities estimated that Koresh had at least 200 automatic and semi-automatic assault rifles stockpiled, plus thousands of rounds of ammunition. In 1995, four FBI agents and six Branch Davidians died in an exchange of gunfire. Seventy six people died in a fire that destroyed the cult compound.
Timothy McVeigh, who bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995 was a "private seller" at gun shows. He along with accomplice Michael Fortier, admitted to stealing $60,000 worth of shotguns, rifles, and handguns from an Arkansas gun collector's ranch and then reselling the stolen weapons at gun shows. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Gun ownership seems to me in the USA was predicated on the idea people should have one last option to throw out a bad government. I used to think in a world of tanks, stealth bombers, cluster bombs, etc. that a guy with a deer rifle wasn't going to get very far in his rebellion. It might be better today to give people the right to carry LAW rockets, Stingers, .50 cal machine guns, etc.
But then the Iraq war has altered my opinion. You might not be able to take on a well armed regular army in open combat but you can wear them down. |
armies never win against insurgents, neverrrrrrrr |
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