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red_devil
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea
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Smokers SHOULD be more considerate of non-smokers. After all, while i could careless what method you choose to kill yourself slowly if your choice infringes on me that's a problem. Why should my hard earned tax dollars go towards designating or creating resources to service people who want to give themselves cancer? By all means, smokers, pool your own money and make your own designated smoking areas. Supply the cities with ash trays, go for it - just don't use my TAX dollars for it.
And the "considerate smokers" that don't litter their butts on the sidewalk, or blow smoke, or light up while people are eating are VERY few and far between.
nolegirl> Stop complaining about our complaining. If you don't like it delete your ESL forum account and never visit this message board again! No one is forcing you to post, read, or participate in this discussion! Stop crying! |
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Pooty
Joined: 15 Jun 2008
Location: Ela stin agalia mou
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Howdy brothers and sisters
I'm quitting tomorrow and found this thread for the first time.
It's so hard to quit. I've tried 4 times in the last year and I've failed miserably, sometimes after just a week. The longest I quit for was 4 months, but a seriously stressful situation overclocked my mind-u.
Gotta increase my will power skillz
This is it. Today is my last day of smelling bad, smokey breath, can't-breathe but I run 5k a day life.
How long do you think it'll be before my sense of smell comes back? How about lung capacity power - will it take a long time before I can feel it when I run, work out, etc?
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Howdy brothers and sisters
I'm quitting tomorrow and found this thread for the first time.
It's so hard to quit. I've tried 4 times in the last year and I've failed miserably, sometimes after just a week. The longest I quit for was 4 months, but a seriously stressful situation overclocked my mind-u.
Gotta increase my will power skillz
This is it. Today is my last day of smelling bad, smokey breath, can't-breathe but I run 5k a day life.
How long do you think it'll be before my sense of smell comes back? How about lung capacity power - will it take a long time before I can feel it when I run, work out, etc?
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Hey Pooty, Good luck! I admire anyone who has an addiction and takes steps to give up their addiction. There are a bunch of resources that exist to help people quit. I hope you find something that works. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The profits made by governments from tobacco sales vastly dwarf the costs of healthcare to treat smoking-related illnesses. |
| CaptainCorea wrote: |
| Got any links to back up this assertion? |
Sadly not. I looked to no avail. I remember reading in a British paper than the UK govt makes 7bn from cigarette sales and the costs of smoking-related diseases to the NHS are 2bn. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| Justin Hale wrote: |
| The profits made by governments from tobacco sales vastly dwarf the costs of healthcare to treat smoking-related illnesses. |
| CaptainCorea wrote: |
| Got any links to back up this assertion? |
Sadly not. I looked to no avail. I remember reading in a British paper than the UK govt makes 7bn from cigarette sales and the costs of smoking-related diseases to the NHS are 2bn. |
Well, thanks for responding just the same. 
So, I'm still waiting for a smoker to explain to me why there is such an inordinate amount of cigarette butts on the street? Is that because of addiction too? |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| So, I'm still waiting for a smoker to explain to me why there is such an inordinate amount of cigarette butts on the street? Is that because of addiction too? |
Well, this is Korea. I wouldn't call the number of cigarettes in the streets "inordinate" compared to the amount of garbage lying about in general. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| So, I'm still waiting for a smoker to explain to me why there is such an inordinate amount of cigarette butts on the street? Is that because of addiction too? |
Well, this is Korea. I wouldn't call the number of cigarettes in the streets "inordinate" compared to the amount of garbage lying about in general. |
You know, casually thinking, I would have believed that too
So today I made sure to pay a little bit more attention as I waited for the bus (and such).
Yup, sure did seem like an excessive amount to me. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| In another forum I would post a picture of a cancerous lung here. |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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So, I'm still waiting for a smoker to explain to me why there is such an inordinate amount of cigarette butts on the street? Is that because of addiction too? |
As a smoker in Korea, I guess there are a few reasons for this. A large portion is because it's Korea, and Koreans don't really care about littering, peeing, spitting or various other things wherever they please. There are generally more cigarette buts than other garbage because people are more often outside smoking than opening packages.
I generally throw my butts out, but if there's no garbage can, then I'd rather not walk around with butts in my pocket all day. If I'm hiking or in some area that's nicer than seoul, I'll use a baggie and throw the baggie out later.
As for people standing in doorways, I doubt most people do. However, if someone does, why is smelling smoke for three seconds such an unbearable thing? I can understand the sentiment that if you're standing outside a restaurant right in front of the door, you're essentially blowing it right back into the restaurant. But, the idea that you have to hold your breath to walk into a building is ridiculous.
When it comes to smoking inside, I'd say my opinions are a little more mixed. Personally, before I started smoking, and before the public smoking bans took effect in my home state, I never really noticed the smoke from the smoking section. I generally don't like to smoke when I'm eating or at a restuarant, because I enjoy the food more when I'm not smoking. However, I think that the option should be up to the particular business. There are diners where there's smoking, and there are diners where there's no smoking, and both types seem to do equally well. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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It is not reasonable to ask people to breathe any smoke, even 3 seconds worth. If I throw shit at you, I'd get murdered, but it's the same. So let's compromise. I will only throw 2 or 3 small pieces at you. Is that okay with you? No???? You're being so unreasonable.
Also the smell getting on my clothes and jacket is another concern.
Smokers are lazy fucks. They should walk 3-5 metres away and smoke. But they don't. And when asked why not, they just tell non-smokers to move instead.
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
So, I'm still waiting for a smoker to explain to me why there is such an inordinate amount of cigarette butts on the street? Is that because of addiction too? |
As a smoker in Korea, I guess there are a few reasons for this. A large portion is because it's Korea, and Koreans don't really care about littering, peeing, spitting or various other things wherever they please. There are generally more cigarette buts than other garbage because people are more often outside smoking than opening packages.
I generally throw my butts out, but if there's no garbage can, then I'd rather not walk around with butts in my pocket all day. If I'm hiking or in some area that's nicer than seoul, I'll use a baggie and throw the baggie out later.
As for people standing in doorways, I doubt most people do. However, if someone does, why is smelling smoke for three seconds such an unbearable thing? I can understand the sentiment that if you're standing outside a restaurant right in front of the door, you're essentially blowing it right back into the restaurant. But, the idea that you have to hold your breath to walk into a building is ridiculous.
When it comes to smoking inside, I'd say my opinions are a little more mixed. Personally, before I started smoking, and before the public smoking bans took effect in my home state, I never really noticed the smoke from the smoking section. I generally don't like to smoke when I'm eating or at a restuarant, because I enjoy the food more when I'm not smoking. However, I think that the option should be up to the particular business. There are diners where there's smoking, and there are diners where there's no smoking, and both types seem to do equally well. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| greedy_bones wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
So, I'm still waiting for a smoker to explain to me why there is such an inordinate amount of cigarette butts on the street? Is that because of addiction too? |
As a smoker in Korea, I guess there are a few reasons for this. A large portion is because it's Korea, and Koreans don't really care about littering, peeing, spitting or various other things wherever they please. There are generally more cigarette buts than other garbage because people are more often outside smoking than opening packages. |
Fair enough I suppose. Personally though, I try to hold myself to a certain standard regardless. I'm not one for pissing in the streets back home, and I haven't done it here just because I've seen a local do it.
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| I generally throw my butts out, but if there's no garbage can, then I'd rather not walk around with butts in my pocket all day. If I'm hiking or in some area that's nicer than seoul, I'll use a baggie and throw the baggie out later. |
Nice to hear.
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| As for people standing in doorways, I doubt most people do. However, if someone does, why is smelling smoke for three seconds such an unbearable thing? I can understand the sentiment that if you're standing outside a restaurant right in front of the door, you're essentially blowing it right back into the restaurant. But, the idea that you have to hold your breath to walk into a building is ridiculous. |
MANY people Do smoke in front of doorways. I work in a number of office buildings, and run into this many times per day.
As for why it bothers me so, perhaps it's the fact that my mom passed away 3 weeks ago due to lung cancer after smoking a pack a day for 40 years, that makes it so repulsive to me.
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| When it comes to smoking inside, I'd say my opinions are a little more mixed. Personally, before I started smoking, and before the public smoking bans took effect in my home state, I never really noticed the smoke from the smoking section. I generally don't like to smoke when I'm eating or at a restuarant, because I enjoy the food more when I'm not smoking. However, I think that the option should be up to the particular business. There are diners where there's smoking, and there are diners where there's no smoking, and both types seem to do equally well. |
What about children? Should they be protected? |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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a large percentage are inconsiderate, in my opinion.
i don't like smoking, i choose not to smoke.
someone else has made the choice to smoke, and that is their choice.
i, however, did not agree to be around them, and i don't like it when their smoke interferes with my life.
during the summer, i keep my front and back windows open to catch a breeze. too often i also catch the smoke of the guy on the floor below me.
smokers often give the "if you don't like it, go somewhere else" line, but i'm in my OWN apartment.
MY APARTMENT! is it so crazy that i would like to have my apartment smoke-free?
there are only a handful of places in japan that are all smoke-free (starbucks and coco ichi come to mind).
it sucks balls to go out to eat, and you can't enjoy your meal cuz the guy (or group) next to you is smoking and "non-smoking table" in japan literally means a table where the people are not smoking.
as for health effects, if i start having trouble breathing, if i get a red, sore throat, if i get chest pains, etc i am going to assume that the smoke is having a negative effect on my health.
if you want to smoke, go to some small room with no ventilation and smoke there. |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| As for people standing in doorways, I doubt most people do. However, if someone does, why is smelling smoke for three seconds such an unbearable thing? I can understand the sentiment that if you're standing outside a restaurant right in front of the door, you're essentially blowing it right back into the restaurant. But, the idea that you have to hold your breath to walk into a building is ridiculous. |
MANY people Do smoke in front of doorways. I work in a number of office buildings, and run into this many times per day.
As for why it bothers me so, perhaps it's the fact that my mom passed away 3 weeks ago due to lung cancer after smoking a pack a day for 40 years, that makes it so repulsive to me. |
That's fair enough. Personally, when I step outside for a smoke, I tend to step away from the doorway. I don't think it's a big effort to do so. However, there are some buildings where the designated smoking section with ashtrays is right next to the door, and I tend to gravitate that way. I guess I just haven't noticed people smoking right in front of doorways as much as others have.
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| When it comes to smoking inside, I'd say my opinions are a little more mixed. Personally, before I started smoking, and before the public smoking bans took effect in my home state, I never really noticed the smoke from the smoking section. I generally don't like to smoke when I'm eating or at a restuarant, because I enjoy the food more when I'm not smoking. However, I think that the option should be up to the particular business. There are diners where there's smoking, and there are diners where there's no smoking, and both types seem to do equally well. |
What about children? Should they be protected? |
The children should be protected, by their parents. If there's a restaurant with smoking and one without smoking, a parent should take their kid to the one without smoking or at least an adequately sealed smoking section. You can claim a right to not inhale second hand smoke or have your kids inhale second hand smoke, but does that extend to the policies of a privately run business? |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not reasonable to ask people to breathe any smoke, even 3 seconds worth |
That's the problem right there - the fact that you think it's unreasonable.
Do you think it's unreasonable to live in a country with such air polution, like Korea?
Do you think it's unreasonable to go outside during Hwang-sa (yellow dust) season without a mask?
Do you think it's unreasonable to breathe in car fumes?
It seems to me that if you think breathing 3 seconds of second-hand smoke is unreasonable, you should live in a bubble. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| So, I'm still waiting for a smoker to explain to me why there is such an inordinate amount of cigarette butts on the street? Is that because of addiction too? |
Well, this is Korea. I wouldn't call the number of cigarettes in the streets "inordinate" compared to the amount of garbage lying about in general. |
You know, casually thinking, I would have believed that too
So today I made sure to pay a little bit more attention as I waited for the bus (and such).
Yup, sure did seem like an excessive amount to me. |
Where do you live? |
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