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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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 Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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edit. actually i don't want to do this today.
It was a hypothetical situation.
I can see this descending into a tit for tat thing, and why even bother really.
New year's resolution. Don't get into pointless discussions with people you do not like online. |
A better new year's resolution would be "Think before posting" This not only makes one's posts clearer, it also limits said "pointless discussions" as presumably your thinking has led to some points that you wish to make. And just as presumably your points will lead to posts that on sober second thought you do not wish to delete. |
You are right actually. I shouldn't have deleted any of them. Here is my original post saved from someone's quotations above.
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I'm not advocating this but..
if you are hamas you have take this from a different angle. No rockets. Bombs in highly dense civilian areas in Israel and the US(jewish targets) would break them given enough time and with enough repetition. Terrorism works, time to use it against superior technology.
Of course this course of action would result in alot more bloodshed but it would level the playing field. |
There you go, ponder on that as you may. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Where are you going?
You suggested that the Palestinians escalate terrorist attacks against Israel and now the United States because terrorism always works, terrorism levels the playing field, and terrorism will bring Tel Aviv and Washington to the negotiating table as equals -- in short, terrorism will solve the Arab-Israeli Conflict and put everyone in their place. You clarified that you did not quite advocate a 9/11-level event. But you were talking about city-sized targets.
Then you wanted to emphasize that you were not really suggesting this, you were just saying it -- or however it is that you explain this in your feeble little, terrorist's mind. JMO, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what this would mean, and what would follow it, that it is almost embarrassing to listen to you talk about it and then backpeddle.
That will be all. |
Ooh, damn! Dismissed. |
Not really. Stealing a quote from the other side (Brzezinski) and straw-manning? Typical Gopher tactics. I wouldn't reply to him either.
Dismissed. |
I don't know, I quite liked this particular self righteous rant.
I love the part I've bolded it. Dun, dun, dun!!! |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:21 am Post subject: |
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I see what you're trying to say, JMO, but I think the reality is that time and international patience is running out on Hamas.
Much of the world community is now seeing them for what they have repeatedly demonstrated themselves to be: a group not concerned with making peace and providing prosperity for the people of Gaza (which could be facilitated by trade with Israel), but rather a radical terrorist organization hell-bent on Israel's destruction.
*beep* 'em. They made their bed, I say let them lie in it. And it is honestly sad that the civilians (who as a group overwhelmingly voted them into power) will also suffer. This form of cancer, however, is gonna require some surgery.
(edit: and I know Israel hasn't been angelic, either. I see the arguments. But Hamas had a hand to play and they played it in the worst possible way.) |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:03 am Post subject: |
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(edit: and I know Israel hasn't been angelic, either. I see the arguments. But Hamas had a hand to play and they played it in the worst possible way.) |
Well, I'm not pro hamas, or pro israel. Well maybe slightly pro Isael. I'm always suspicious of terrorists/freedom fighters as they are normally just gangsters.
My idea was just a hypothetical on the best play for Hamas from a political point of view. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
(edit: and I know Israel hasn't been angelic, either. I see the arguments. But Hamas had a hand to play and they played it in the worst possible way.) |
Well, I'm not pro hamas, or pro israel. Well maybe slightly pro Isael. I'm always suspicious of terrorists/freedom fighters as they are normally just gangsters.
My idea was just a hypothetical on the best play for Hamas from a political point of view. |
That would be suicide for Hamas. If Tel Aviv started getting seriously hit and hundreds of Israelis killed, Israel has both the means and (given the political mood after such hits) the will to make all its previous forays look like love taps. And the U.S would be willing (after such attacks) to lend them a hand and make sure everyone else backs off.
What...you don't think Hamas has considered this idea? They probably believe (as it well might) it would lead to the obliteration of Gaza.
Frighting a much more powerful enemy is always a bad idea if he knows your home address. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| It was Hamas toppled Fatah. |
After a years-long effort by Israel to undermine Fatah.
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| Fatah is still in power on the West Bank. |
This thread is about Gaza.
This post lays out my own thinking pretty well.
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It�s important to recall that the rise of Hamas is, in part, the result of a very successful Israeli effort to undermine the authority and infrastructure of Fatah and the Palestinian Authority. Israel interpreted the collapse of the Camp David talks as indicating that Yasser Arafat and his movement were not reasonable negotiating partners and that the whole enterprise of trying to deal with them had been a mistake. So they spent years � with the support and at times encouragement of the Bush administration � trying to weaken their hold on the Palestinian people and the Palestinian territories in hopes that this would bring to power some kind of hazily defined quisling entity that would be more accommodating. And they succeeded in the undermining. Why, exactly, the Israeli and American governments thought the likely upshot of success would be a more accommodating alternative rather than Hamas I couldn�t quite say. But that�s what they thought and they were wrong.
Similarly, one has to contemplate the possibility that Israeli efforts at disempowering Hamas won�t so much fail as suffer �catastrophic success� as the area is taken over by a Palestinian branch of al-Qaeda. I�m not sure that would be worse for Israel (probably would) but it would definitely be worse for the United States of America. |
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Jeff's Cigarettes
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