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edgellskiuk
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: Seoul
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Maybe they could make a TV event of it.
A team from each country has to build a raft. They then paddle their rafts out to Dokdo carrying no supplies and survive for as long as possible. The team whos last member lives longest is the winner and their country gets the island.
Or some sort of exchange deal. If Japan chooses to keep Dokdo then the Sea of Japan is renamed the East Sea. If Korea keeps Dokdo then the Sea of Japan name is kept. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| edgellskiuk wrote: |
Maybe they could make a TV event of it.
A team from each country has to build a raft. They then paddle their rafts out to Dokdo carrying no supplies and survive for as long as possible. The team whos last member lives longest is the winner and their country gets the island.
Or some sort of exchange deal. If Japan chooses to keep Dokdo then the Sea of Japan is renamed the East Sea. If Korea keeps Dokdo then the Sea of Japan name is kept. |
My money's on the Japanese:
Explorers on wooden raft feared lost
February 22, 2005 �� An explorer hoping to make a documentary film about an ancient sea trade route between eastern Russia and Japan has been lost along with three companions.
Aerial surveillance found the men's wooden raft yesterday, apparently with no one aboard, 160 kilometers (100 miles) south of the Russian port of Vladivostok and 480 kilometers north of Korea's Tokto island.
The team led by 45-year-old explorer Bang Eui-cheon left the Russian port of Posyet on Friday, aboard a 4.5-meter (15-foot)-wide and 11-meter-long raft. The raft was made of logs of at least 80 centimeters in diameter.
Lee Hyeong-jae, a documentary producer, Hwang Gi-su, a mountain climber, and Yeon Jeong-nam, professional lifeguard, accompanied Mr. Bang. They had hoped to follow the route used by the traders of an ancient kingdom called Balhae, which ruled what is now Chinese territory near Jilin in Manchuria from 699 to 926 A.D..
According to South Korea's maritime police, the raft was loaded with 100 kilograms (220 pounds) of rice, 700 liters (185 gallons) of water and 300 liters of fuel. The team was also equipped with safety equipment, a global positioning system and a satellite phone system.
The team sought to sail 1,255 kilometers to reach Japan's port of Niigata by the middle of next month, but the effort encountered high seas.
The explorers were scheduled to communicate with Korea's maritime police twice a day at 6 a.m. and 6 p.m. The expedition headquarters here last heard from the crew at 5 p.m. on Saturday, but the scheduled call on Sunday morning never took place.
South Korea's maritime police contacted North Korea yesterday morning to ask permission to search for the missing raft in the waters east of North Korea. The North authorized the airborne operation.
After five hours, the raft was located and found to be empty. Maritime police said its operation to find the crew was continuing.
"The team has equipment that will automatically send signals even if they are in the water," Kim Yeong-cheol, an official with the exploration, said. "We have not received any signals yet. We just hope that we have lost contact due to malfunctioning equipment."
It is not the first time that South Koreans attempting to recreate an ancient sea route have met disaster. In 1997, a four-man expedition aboard a raft sank only a few kilometers from Japan's coast. In the stormy waters, all four died.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200502/21/200502212210002279900090409041.html |
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Gunshake
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:38 am Post subject: |
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My dear shakuhachi, you havent been able to find any historical links to Dokdo with Korea but found plenty of plenty of info stating that Japan had claimed the island hundreds of years ago....; you are a person who sees only what (s)he wants to, and that's why you have to hurl yourself into the closed door on and on. Just grab the knob and turn it, then the door will open to show you how the world is wide and bright keeping 'plenty of plenty of info' in store for you.
You also insist that information evidencing korea's occupation of dokdo is very sketchy and the fact that Korea had never made use of the island is undeniable. Your nation sure did make use of hawaii by air raids and naval operations, flying innocent youths to floral explosions in your term headlong into American carriers(how analogous to what you are doing with your closed door) later to prolong your justification of the invasion for a couple of years in vain. O.K., then, are Hawaiian islands the next target of your claim of occupation with the immovable historical evidence of your activley making use of them? and the next, Manchuria and mainland China? History certainly repeats itself, at least in the mentality of some of your people including you. |
Not sure what you are trying to say. I guess you are claiming that takeshima is Korean territory without offering proof (citing pearl harbour as some kind of evidence in relation to takeshima doesnt make sense), and you labor under the delusion that I am Japanese. Are you Kyopo? If so, I offer you these comments in Korean.
�̷а� �������� �ٰ��� �����ϸ� �Ϻ����̴ٰ� �Ǵ��ϰ�����. �Դٰ� Ÿ�ɽø��� �ѱ��� ��� �����ϴ� ����� �ϳ��� �����. �Ϻ��� ��ȭ ����� �ֱ� ������ Ÿ�ɽø��� �ҹ� �����ص� �ѱ��� �ݰ��� ���������� �ʾƿ�.
�� ������ ����������Ǽҿ��� �ذ��ؾ� �� ���ε� �ѱ��������� �ѱ��� ��ġ���� ���忡 ���ؼ� �ڽ��� ��� ����������Ǽ��� �Ǵ��� ���ϰ� �ֽ��ϴ�.
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| Why do the Koreans refuse to take the Dokdo ownership issue to the international body that handles these disputes (Sorry cannot remember its name))? If their case is so strong surely they would win easily, could it be they rather keep it contentious for political reasons? |
They never will allow it to go to the International Court of Justice because they dont have confidence in their position. Korea's own arguments serve to undermine their case. |
Dear shakuhachi.
I will take up only two sentences from your argument:
I havent been able to find any historical links...
�ѱ��� ��� �����ϴ� ����� �ϳ��� �����...
And I feel compassion over the lack of your logical training. Such words as 'not any' or '�ϳ���' are not logic but the products of your pathetically obstinate, wild hope: an extremist's personal desire. So what did the famous, or notorious to be more exact, extremist Dojo cabinet's hope and desire prove to be in the end?
You seem to be very proud of your ��ȭ���. But how much percentage of your politicians are still willing to stick to it? Unless it was force-fed by McArther, would your people have created it on their own?
It is very hard to learn something from history. But your neighboring countries really wish your politicians and some of your people to wake from the morbid, adolescent dream you had half a century ago and not to make fresh attempts to invite similar tragedies on yourselves and them again. As long as you do not know better than to demand what you never deserve to have, you have a long way to go till you pay off what you are indebted to the world. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| Is your assumption that any person taking the side of the Japanese on this issue must himself be Japanese based on logic? No, it is not. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Dear shakuhachi.
I will take up only two sentences from your argument:
I havent been able to find any historical links...
�ѱ��� ��� �����ϴ� ����� �ϳ��� �����...
And I feel compassion over the lack of your logical training. Such words as 'not any' or '�ϳ���' are not logic but the products of your pathetically obstinate, wild hope: an extremist's personal desire. So what did the famous, or notorious to be more exact, extremist Dojo cabinet's hope and desire prove to be in the end? |
I cant understand what you are trying to say here. What has the word 'not even one' (used in the context of 'not even one country recognises takeshima as Korean territory') got to do with the WW2 Tojo cabinet?
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| You seem to be very proud of your ��ȭ���. But how much percentage of your politicians are still willing to stick to it? Unless it was force-fed by McArther, would your people have created it on their own? |
Well, I think the peace constitution is a good thing... It is a pity that demagogic Korean politicians use it to whip up an anti Japanese frenzy to which the Japanese will not respond. What is with the 'your people' bit? I am not Japanese. I am a white guy that dates Korean girls. Now you have something to hate.
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| It is very hard to learn something from history. But your neighboring countries really wish your politicians and some of your people to wake from the morbid, adolescent dream you had half a century ago and not to make fresh attempts to invite similar tragedies on yourselves and them again. As long as you do not know better than to demand what you never deserve to have, you have a long way to go till you pay off what you are indebted to the world. |
Are you a Kyopo or native Korean?
Learn some real Korean history.
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Gunshake
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:19 am Post subject: |
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[quote="shakuhachi"][quote="Gunshake"]Dear shakuhachi.
I am not Japanese. I am a white guy that dates Korean girls. Now you have something to hate.
Dear shakuhachi
You are not a Japanese? Yeah, I agree with you now, as your meanness is too characteristic to belong to any human race.
You date with Korean girls? Did I ever say there were no hookers in Korea?
Do I have something to hate you with? No, pity is the only emotion I feel for you.
Would you please accept one of my humble requests? Never, ever make a baby with any woman on the earth regarless of her skin color. Proliferation by a man like you is a catastrophe to this planet. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Gunshake"][quote="shakuhachi"]
| Gunshake wrote: |
Dear shakuhachi.
I am not Japanese. I am a white guy that dates Korean girls. Now you have something to hate.
Dear shakuhachi
You are not a Japanese? Yeah, I agree with you now, as your meanness is too characteristic to belong to any human race.
You date with Korean girls? Did I ever say there were no hookers in Korea?
Do I have something to hate you with? No, pity is the only emotion I feel for you.
Would you please accept one of my humble requests? Never, ever make a baby with any woman on the earth regarless of her skin color. Proliferation by a man like you is a catastrophe to this planet. |
You must be an SBS producer. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| From enjoying Gunshake's posts elsewhere, I was actually kind of hoping that he/she would try to address Shakuhachi's most recent points and supplied link and not digress to giving character shots too quickly. Sensitive subject matter aside, I think there is a healthy and interesting debate here among some individuals with diverse backgrounds. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
Explorers on Wooden Raft Feared Lost
February 22, 2005 �� An explorer hoping to make a documentary film about an ancient sea trade route between eastern Russia and Japan has been lost along with three companions.
Aerial surveillance found the men's wooden raft yesterday, apparently with no one aboard, 160 kilometers (100 miles) south of the Russian port of Vladivostok and 480 kilometers north of Korea's Tokto island.
The team led by 45-year-old explorer Bang Eui-cheon left the Russian port of Posyet on Friday, aboard a 4.5-meter (15-foot)-wide and 11-meter-long raft. The raft was made of logs of at least 80 centimeters in diameter.
Lee Hyeong-jae, a documentary producer, Hwang Gi-su, a mountain climber, and Yeon Jeong-nam, professional lifeguard, accompanied Mr. Bang. They had hoped to follow the route used by the traders of an ancient kingdom called Balhae, which ruled what is now Chinese territory near Jilin in Manchuria from 699 to 926 A.D..
According to South Korea's maritime police, the raft was loaded with 100 kilograms (220 pounds) of rice, 700 liters (185 gallons) of water and 300 liters of fuel. The team was also equipped with safety equipment, a global positioning system and a satellite phone system.
The team sought to sail 1,255 kilometers to reach Japan's port of Niigata by the middle of next month, but the effort encountered high seas.
The explorers were scheduled to communicate with Korea's maritime police twice a day at 6 a.m. and 6 p.m. The expedition headquarters here last heard from the crew at 5 p.m. on Saturday, but the scheduled call on Sunday morning never took place.
South Korea's maritime police contacted North Korea yesterday morning to ask permission to search for the missing raft in the waters east of North Korea. The North authorized the airborne operation.
After five hours, the raft was located and found to be empty. Maritime police said its operation to find the crew was continuing.
"The team has equipment that will automatically send signals even if they are in the water," Kim Yeong-cheol, an official with the exploration, said. "We have not received any signals yet. We just hope that we have lost contact due to malfunctioning equipment."
It is not the first time that South Koreans attempting to recreate an ancient sea route have met disaster. In 1997, a four-man expedition aboard a raft sank only a few kilometers from Japan's coast. In the stormy waters, all four died.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200502/21/200502212210002279900090409041.html |
Is it just me, or does anybody else find this extremely funny? This is a Darwin Award for sure! 
Maybe it's me. As a Nova Scotian, I know that you do NOT go out in the North Atlantic or the North Pacific in effing January or February. You get 3-meter high waves in the open ocean that time of year! You fall in the water you die in five to ten minutes. DUHHH!!! |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder what the people from ancient Balhae would think of them. Probably the same as you...um, yeah, we made that sea route, but we didn't make it in February, that's for sure! |
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diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Just give the island to Japan. The island is closer to Japan, and when Japan sinks (as is believed to be sinking), let the more than 100 million Japanese inhabit DokDo. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Except that it's closer to Korea... |
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diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Try measuring the closest points to Korea and Japan, and see if DokDo is really closer to Japan or Korea. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Or I could just provide you with a detailed diagram:
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diablo3
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| How far is Oki Island to Japans coast? |
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