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mises
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: |
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The more I learn about it, this isn't a "riot" as the NP called it or a "protest" as the WaPo calls it, but an organized racist attack on Han Chinese by Uighurs. This was followed on Tuesday by retaliations by Han on the muslims. |
You didn't learn much then.
1. Timeline in numerical order by event happening:
2. Han Chinese girl mistakenly walks into dorm for Uighur workers, screams and runs away
3. Angry Han Chinese man starts rumor about Uighurs gang raping a Chinese Han girl in their dorms
4. Mob of angry Han Chinese men savagely beat to death Uighurs on the streets of Guandong
5. Police stand by and watch, doing nothing
6. Uighurs demand police investigate, police do the bare minimal
7. Uighurs in Xinjiang protest peacefully and police tell them to move on, Uighurs refuse
8. Police attack unarmed Uighurs with live rounds
9. Uighurs return in larger numbers and go crazy, looting and attacking any Han Chinese they see
10. Army moves in, again live ammo is used
11. Han Chinese get upset, form a mob and beat Uighurs, police use tear gas to disperse Han Chinese
12. China blames "US-funded Terror Group" for starting the whole thing |
So I was right. It was an organized racist attack against Han by muslims. Or do you think you have access to media and such that I don't? |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: |
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The poor Han chinese. I hope the government helps them this time  |
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Karea
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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A friend told me about "muslim terrorists" in the North West of China some years ago when I asked him if there were any areas of China I shouldn't visit. |
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Julius

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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Right on schedule too.
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Uighurs called for 'jihad'
BEIJING - THREE Uighur men tried to incite other Muslims to launch a 'jihad' and attacked a mosque security guard before police shot and killed two of them, state media reported on Tuesday.
The incident began when around 150 Muslims were praying in a mosque in Urumqi, the capital of the northwest Xinjiang region on Monday, Xinhua news agency said, citing an unnamed imam who was giving a service at the time.
One man stood up and tried to take over the prayers but was stopped, the imam told Xinhua. A few minutes later the man reportedly stood up holding a green banner and started calling for a 'jihad'.
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http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_402959.html
I'm sure it will work out wonderfully for them. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Islamic supremacists at war with the world are threatening to send humanity into a hell we cannot imagine. The stage has been set. Western progressive countries have stopped growing and poverty-ridden societies are spreading rapidly. The only large militarily strong and economically growing society in the world today is the People�s Republic of China .
Stupidity, thy name is jihad
Self-centered jihadists seem to not realize that defeating the United States , most likely by bankrupting its economy or with a smuggled nuclear device, would be the worst thing they could possibly do to themselves. Without a United States to protect them, the jihadists would be fully exposed. A militant, totalitarian China would be the only superpower left in the world. It is inconceivable that China wouldn�t take great advantage of this position. For starters, poorly defended, oil-rich Arab countries would be easy prey for oil-hungry China . Small-time terror-funding sheiks wouldn�t even know what hit them.
China : Looking for "lebensraum"
Officially atheist China has quietly become an aggressive and belligerent country convinced of its own supremacy and centrality in the world. Suicidal Muslim psychotics pose little threat to a robust China . China has 1.3 billion people, or one fifth of the world�s population,�more than enough to conquer a fractured world. The Chinese rulers are as ruthless as Hitler�but with 20 times his population at hand. China has an aggressive eugenics program and now has one of the highest IQ averages in the world, as well as a large population of educated and indoctrinated citizens. Even suicidal jihadists are afraid of China , evidenced by how little they support beleaguered Muslim Uighurs in Western China . With such a large energetic population, it takes little imagination to see why China covets vast foreign territory and would halt at nothing to take it, given the chance.
Holocaust Redux
Still communist, Red China has revamped the �total war� concept, meaning nothing is off limits. The Geneva Conventions are but silly rules to China . Total liquidation of non-Chinese populations is not improbable from the Chinese government. With a world thrown in to chaos by crude Islamic fascists, combined with the killing power of today�s weapons, the world could be remade in China �s image very soon.
China is building its military at an unprecedented rate. Although China has said it is not averse to absorbing a nuclear retaliation, it is also working on technologies such as electromagnet- pulse bombs and nanotechnology that could knock out America �s last defense of nuclear weapons before they could even launch.
Once in command, the secretive technocrat Han-supremacists that rule China �far more efficient than Muslim supremacists�would not hesitate to rewrite world history and airbrush everyone but Hans out.
Jihadists have no hope against China
Red China is the hegemonic gorilla that even suicidal Muslims fear, if only subconsciously, because of its power and equal unconcern for individual lives. China has the will to wipe every non-Han Chinese person off the globe, and Muslims are unwittingly acting as the catalyst. Muslims have no hope against Chinese manufacturing. Muslims cannot walk around freely in Beijing as they do in London . They cannot manipulate principals of human rights or freedom of the press, because those don�t exist in China . Without a West to defend them, Muslims will have met not only their Waterloo with China , but their Auschwitz .
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/Yongo60116.htm |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:22 am Post subject: |
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China has an aggressive eugenics program and now has one of the highest IQ averages in the world, |
I was in China for a few months and I kid you not, I've never seen people act like animals until i travelled to China and India. There is not a damned thing to fear from that place except disease and government corruption/incompetence.
I still talk to old girlfriends who work there and they hate the pollution, crime and oh so many people. In their words, its a hell-hole.
Fear traditional Russia or even a Right-Wing Germany, but never China. Too corrupt and too low techie. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: |
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China has an aggressive eugenics program and now has one of the highest IQ averages in the world, as well as a large population of educated and indoctrinated citizens. |
I'd be interested to know the details of this "eugenics" policy. I'm aware that China has a one-child-per-family policy, which often leads to forced abortion and sterilizations. But is that really the same thing as a eugenics policy, which is supposed to encourage reproduction among the supposed elites? My understanding is that the one-child policy is applied across the board(with the exeception, interestingly enough, of certain ethnic groups, including the Uighurs, who are allowed more than one child). |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Holocaust Redux
Still communist, Red China has revamped the �total war� concept, meaning nothing is off limits. The Geneva Conventions are but silly rules to China . Total liquidation of non-Chinese populations is not improbable from the Chinese government. With a world thrown in to chaos by crude Islamic fascists, combined with the killing power of today�s weapons, the world could be remade in China �s image very soon.
China is building its military at an unprecedented rate. Although China has said it is not averse to absorbing a nuclear retaliation, it is also working on technologies such as electromagnet- pulse bombs and nanotechnology that could knock out America �s last defense of nuclear weapons before they could even launch.
Once in command, the secretive technocrat Han-supremacists that rule China �far more efficient than Muslim supremacists�would not hesitate to rewrite world history and airbrush everyone but Hans out.
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This is all a little over-the-top. Despite the author's posture of disliking China, I can't help but think he harbours a lot of my-daddy-could-beat-up-your-daddy fantasies about the tough Chinese annihilating the Muslim heathens. |
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Rum Jungle
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: North Asia
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:22 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
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China has an aggressive eugenics program and now has one of the highest IQ averages in the world, as well as a large population of educated and indoctrinated citizens. |
I'd be interested to know the details of this "eugenics" policy. I'm aware that China has a one-child-per-family policy, which often leads to forced abortion and sterilizations. But is that really the same thing as a eugenics policy, which is supposed to encourage reproduction among the supposed elites? My understanding is that the one-child policy is applied across the board(with the exeception, interestingly enough, of certain ethnic groups, including the Uighurs, who are allowed more than one child). |
It could be a eugenics policy in terms of granting marriage licenses.
Several women teacher colleagues this summer who were getting married mentioned that they and their spouse-to-be had to visit the local hospital for a physical and mental examination by a doctor. A certificate from the doctor attesting to the couple's health was required before the marriage took place.
I think Finland (and other countries) had similar policies in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Several women teacher colleagues this summer who were getting married mentioned that they and their spouse-to-be had to visit the local hospital for a physical and mental examination by a doctor. A certificate from the doctor attesting to the couple's health was required before the marriage took place.
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Thanks for that. But I'd still be curious to know how many potential acts of reproduction are actually thwarted by such a policy.
And would you happen to know if these medical examinations also delved into the genetic history of the couples' families?
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I think Finland (and other countries) had similar policies in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. |
My home province of Alberta had a eugenics policy in place between 1928 and 1972. During this time, people were actually subjected to involuntary sterilizations, though I'm not aware of anyone actually beind denied permission to marry.
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Rum Jungle
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: North Asia
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Answers to those questions are outside my area of expertise
But a comment in passing from one of the teachers to be married hinted at some such policy, "Stupid people cannot get married". And I think she was referring to those with mental incapacity/disability.
As mentioned, the one child policy doesn't apply to Chinese minority peoples (like the Uighurs) nor, to those outside the cities. My colleague above has a younger sister who visits the staff room and that's because the family is from a town/village outside the main city and if the first born is a girl, then the family can have a second child.
But what goes on behind doctors' doors with questioning of a couple's genetic history or how many children born outside of marriage there are I don't know. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Rum Jungle:
The available information on this subject is somewhat contradictory. There seems to be an ongoing debate about whether or not China's laws are eugenic in nature.
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INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE, 1993 Dec 22;:1.
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In December 1993, China announced plans to utilize abortions, sterilization, and marriage bans with the objective of averting "births of inferior quality" and preventing the transfer of congenital diseases, which number 10 million a year. The draft law on eugenics and health protection would bar people with hepatitis, venereal disease, or mental illness from marriage. Pregnant women with certain infections and abnormal fetuses would be advised to terminate the pregnancy, and married couples with mental disabilities would be sterilized. However, the steps of implementation were not specified. The law would have a major impact, since a large proportion of the Chinese population has hepatitis from eating contaminated food. There are 10.2 million mentally disabled people in China. The annual birth figure for congenitally disabled children amounts to 300,000-460,000, whose economic burden on Chinese society was cited by the Health Minister at a committee of the National People's Congress. He claimed that, unless measures were taken, the quality of life of the population would plunge. China's one-child policy, in effect since 1979, has been criticized, although the birth rate was reduced to 18.24 births per 1000 population by 1992, almost half of the 1970 rate. The government has contended that these strict measures are needed to halt the growth of the population, estimated at 1.2 billion people, so that it does not outstrip the economy.
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So-called pro-life groups also think that the policies are eugenic. However, the Chinese themselves deny this...
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China�s Law on Maternal and Infant Health (see box opposite page) has attracted considerable criticism in the Western media and scientific circles. Some of the criticism is valid but some is based on misunderstandings caused by linguistic or cultural barriers. Much of the confusion revolves around the word yousheng, which repeatedly occurs in the legal text. A tricky word with dual meanings, it is commonly used to mean �healthy births� in association with child-rearing. However, yousheng can also be used to describe eugenic programmes such as that practised by the Nazis. Unfortunately, English translations of the law tend to reflect this latter
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Is the Maternal and Infant Health Law eugenic? I would argue that for a policy to be eugenic it must first reject individual consent and second, be based on racism. Neither of these conditions applies to China�s law. While doctors may advise two individuals at risk of passing on hereditary disease to refrain from marrying or to undergo sterilization, the ultimate decision is left to these adults. When prenatal testing reveals genetic disease, a doctor |
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Rum Jungle
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: North Asia
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:17 am Post subject: |
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OTOH: Thanks for the links.
There do appear to be contradictions especially btw the Chinese scholar's assertion that a marriage can still occur after a doctor advising against and my colleague's insistence that it cannot.
Could be:-
1) Mistranslation/misunderstanding on my part, although the words, "Stupid people cannot get married", seem to indicate direct prohibition by the State.
2) The teacher herself, in her early 20s, has mistakenly interpreted the law as prohibiting marriage when actually it does not.
3) The law is clear in allowing marriage despite a doctor's advice but the implementation of that law is disregarded by local government.
Alas, school holidays now, so I can't quiz the newlywed colleague(s) to try and clear up the contradiction until they return in late August! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:20 am Post subject: |
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RJ:
Interesting discussion. My semi-educated speculation is that these Chinese laws are implemented and enforced in sort of the same way that the Korean government implements and enforces(for example) the laws on visa requirements post-Christopher Neale, ie. something gets announced, which may or may not be an official law, and the folks on the ground interpret it in any number of ways. |
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