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Mayweather vs. Juan Marquez Fight Sept. 20 (Korea time)
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beginning of round 2 - From what I've seen so far, they look evenly matched, but Mayweather has HHH in his corner for the tag if necessary ... (whoops - someone's down ...)

OK - they're both still going pretty strong at the end of the round...

You can follow ir round-by-round with English commentary here while watching it on Korean cable ...
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/fightcred/round?id=4462628
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mayweather wins it in convincing fashion, all the hype about a Marquez upset is proven to be garbage.

Marquez losing is good for Pacquiao, as most say Pacman should've lost both fights he had with the Mexican.

Now let's see if Pacman can get past Cotto and set up that Super Bowl of a payday against Mayweather.
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Seul



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was not a good fight. Mayweather just dominated. He was too big, too fast, and just the better boxer. As a Marquez fan, it was extremely disappointing, he tried to outbox a boxer. He kept his distance the entire time and played to Floyd's advantage. Marquez needed to close the distance and stay inside and battle Mayweather.

Especially after the 5th round, it became apparent that Marquez would have to knock Mayweather out to win the fight, but Marquez just kept with a game plan that was not working. So frustrating.

I'm looking forward to the Pacquiao vs Cotto fight. And I'll be routing for the winner of that fight to beat Mayweather.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marquez is lucky to have finished the fight, but many wonder why Mayweather didn't just knock the guy out. The fight was clearly a mismatch.

ESPN boxing analyst Teddy Atlas says Manny Pacquiao will beat Miguel Cotto to set up that dream showdown versus Mayweather. I will say Mayweather impressed and showed little or no ring rust from his 21-month layoff.
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Seul



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The size advantage for Mayweather was noticeable. He weighed in over the weight limit and paid a $600,000 penalty. And he did not reweigh the night of the bout.

I read some headline that "Mayweather should pick on someone his own size." Marquez also made some comments about the weight difference. Watching the fight though, it wasn't even close. Even if they were the same weight, I think there would be a similar outcome.
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thomas pars



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this was a pretty lame fight. they hype surrounding the fight was just that..a load of hype. i find hbo has been doing this alot lately. they set up these "marches" that the fans don't want, and i wouldn't even think of. i mean Marquez v. mayweather? Who the hell thought of that? And to promote the hell out of it they make the 24/7 series.

As for the fight it self: the first 3 rounds were interesting stuff. Marguez looked strong and he was throwing some decent combinations. But by the 5th it was all Mayweather as he warmed up speed up and proved to be so damn slick it was pretty amazing to see.
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ekimswish



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, that was total BS that Mayweather didn't even try to KO Marquez. The last three rounds especially, I had the feeling that he could just talk Juan into laying down. Shieeet.... Roach was right all along, it was a snooze-fest. I mean, it's kind of like watching Nate Robinson in a dunk contest: He attempts the most spectacular dunk you've ever seen, but misses about 50 times in a row, so by the time he makes it, you feel like you've just hung out in his drive-way watching him practice for 2 hours. Watching the brilliance of Mayweather for a couple rounds was cool, but by round 12 it was BOOOOOORRRRING... Congrats to Marquez on the big payday and to De La Hoya for officially losing all credibility - not that it matters in the world of sports and hype anyways.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ekimswish wrote:
yeah, that was total BS that Mayweather didn't even try to KO Marquez. The last three rounds especially, I had the feeling that he could just talk Juan into laying down. Shieeet.... Roach was right all along, it was a snooze-fest. I mean, it's kind of like watching Nate Robinson in a dunk contest: He attempts the most spectacular dunk you've ever seen, but misses about 50 times in a row, so by the time he makes it, you feel like you've just hung out in his drive-way watching him practice for 2 hours. Watching the brilliance of Mayweather for a couple rounds was cool, but by round 12 it was BOOOOOORRRRING... Congrats to Marquez on the big payday and to De La Hoya for officially losing all credibility - not that it matters in the world of sports and hype anyways.


Pacman DESTROYED de la Hoya while Mayweather just beat him, but Pacman hasn't fought someone as good as Floyd yet. Of course, let's not get ahead of ourselves because Pacman still has to beat Cotto but I'm thinking all the talk of an upset is just an attempt to create hype for a fight that might not even last that long.

I'm just glad I saw it free in Korea!
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See we have a lot of casual fans here. As a student of boxing and a fan of both fighters, I thought the fight was pretty good from a technical stand point. I was blown away by the technical superiority of Mayweather and even though I knew he was going to win, I didn't think there would be this far of a gap between the two guys.

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this was a pretty lame fight. they hype surrounding the fight was just that..a load of hype. i find hbo has been doing this alot lately. they set up these "marches" that the fans don't want, and i wouldn't even think of. i mean Marquez v. mayweather? Who the hell thought of that? And to promote the hell out of it they make the 24/7 series.


I wanted it. A lot of people wanted it otherwise it wouldn't have happened. The Pound for Pound number 2 against the former number 1 doesn't seem like a bad match up on paper. There were plenty who thought Marquez had a chance. Many just didn't realize how far ahead Mayweather is.

As far as "excitement" goes, I did expect Marquez to bring out more fire power since he wasn't going to outbox Floyd. What happened was that his rythm was disrupted by FLoyd's jab and being a boxer, he wasn't going to rush in. But ironically, the fight was slower because of his counter punching ability and willingness to trade punches, and Floyd being a safety-first fighter, didn't follow up as much as he could've after connecting. I was surprised the most at how good Floyd's jab was. I thought a guy like Marquez would be able to defend against the jab better but you could barely even see it being thrown.

To beat Floyd with firepower, you need a guy like Castillo who can maintain pressure no matter what Floyd throws at him. In that regard I think Cotto or Pac can be more successful, but we'll see what happens in Nov first. [/quote]
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ekimswish wrote:
yeah, that was total BS that Mayweather didn't even try to KO Marquez.


I don't know. The lead right hands and left hooks tell me Floyd was trying to finish him. Marquez isn't exactly easy to knock out.
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ekimswish



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
ekimswish wrote:
yeah, that was total BS that Mayweather didn't even try to KO Marquez.


I don't know. The lead right hands and left hooks tell me Floyd was trying to finish him. Marquez isn't exactly easy to knock out.


He was backing away at the final bell.... he definitely wasn't trying to finish him. When a guy is trying to finish someone he generally unloads until the guy's down, or he tires out. Floyd never threw more than three punches at a time before waiting a minute or two to get off his next "flurry".

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this was a pretty lame fight. they hype surrounding the fight was just that..a load of hype. i find hbo has been doing this alot lately. they set up these "marches" that the fans don't want, and i wouldn't even think of. i mean Marquez v. mayweather? Who the hell thought of that? And to promote the hell out of it they make the 24/7 series.


I wanted it. A lot of people wanted it otherwise it wouldn't have happened. The Pound for Pound number 2 against the former number 1 doesn't seem like a bad match up on paper. There were plenty who thought Marquez had a chance. Many just didn't realize how far ahead Mayweather is.


Before Marquez called out Mayweather, this was the farthest fight from anyone's mind. And you can't just say P4P #2 against former P4P king. The reason we have P4P rankings is because great fighters come in all kinds of shapes and sizes which will never meet in the ring. This was the lightweight champ against the welterweight pretender. When Floyd fights and beats Mosley or Cotto or Paul Williams, as he very well should be able to do, he'll no longer be a pretender.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ekimswish wrote:

He was backing away at the final bell.... he definitely wasn't trying to finish him. When a guy is trying to finish someone he generally unloads until the guy's down, or he tires out. Floyd never threw more than three punches at a time before waiting a minute or two to get off his next "flurry".


Mayweather throws accurate shots over workrate and calculated shots are actually what knocks guys out. If you ever seen his earlier fights where he does finish guys, that's how he does it. Good finishers don't throw volume and hope to hit get a KO. Yeah that's how most guys do, but that's not what the best finishers in the world do. Floyd had a hard time succeeding in finishing Marquez because Marquez was still throwing back in volume every time he got him. Plus, this is a guy who's never been knocked out.

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Before Marquez called out Mayweather, this was the farthest fight from anyone's mind. And you can't just say P4P #2 against former P4P king. The reason we have P4P rankings is because great fighters come in all kinds of shapes and sizes which will never meet in the ring. This was the lightweight champ against the welterweight pretender. When Floyd fights and beats Mosley or Cotto or Paul Williams, as he very well should be able to do, he'll no longer be a pretender.


I liked the idea and I was pleasantly surprised when it was announced. I also enjoyed it. You can argue that people didn't want this fight, but the numbers speak for themselves.
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ekimswish



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
ekimswish wrote:

He was backing away at the final bell.... he definitely wasn't trying to finish him. When a guy is trying to finish someone he generally unloads until the guy's down, or he tires out. Floyd never threw more than three punches at a time before waiting a minute or two to get off his next "flurry".


Mayweather throws accurate shots over workrate and calculated shots are actually what knocks guys out. If you ever seen his earlier fights where he does finish guys, that's how he does it. Good finishers don't throw volume and hope to hit get a KO. Yeah that's how most guys do, but that's not what the best finishers in the world do. Floyd had a hard time succeeding in finishing Marquez because Marquez was still throwing back in volume every time he got him. Plus, this is a guy who's never been knocked out.

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Before Marquez called out Mayweather, this was the farthest fight from anyone's mind. And you can't just say P4P #2 against former P4P king. The reason we have P4P rankings is because great fighters come in all kinds of shapes and sizes which will never meet in the ring. This was the lightweight champ against the welterweight pretender. When Floyd fights and beats Mosley or Cotto or Paul Williams, as he very well should be able to do, he'll no longer be a pretender.


I liked the idea and I was pleasantly surprised when it was announced. I also enjoyed it. You can argue that people didn't want this fight, but the numbers speak for themselves.


What numbers? They were apparently giving away free tickets days before the fight. I guess 90% of boxing experts are wrong when they complain that he didn't go for the kill. I'm not talking about just throwing volume. I'm talking about trying to take the guys head off when he's stumbling around and not responding, as Marquez on several occassions. Marquez was fighting back? He landed 12% of his shots! It's not like it mattered if he was fighting back. He couldn't do squat. Mayweather nailed him with near 60% of his shots. If he wanted to, he could've ended the fight by round six.
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riverboy



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't had a chance to see the fight yet, but I was surprised at the fact that Mayweather totally dominated Marquez. I thought that at some point, Marquez would start to figure out Floyd and make it competitive. Sadly enough, Mayweather's cautious style makes him hard to beat. If a guy does not put pressure on him, then he will not win. I thought Marquez would have done that, but from what I've read, he was simply too small, slow, weak and old.

Floyd is the best of a mediocre lot right now, but he is still a great fighter. It just saddens me that he is such a safety first fighter. I still want to see him fight Pacquiao because Manny will bring everything he has to Shane and he will have his moments, but coming up from 107 lbs against Floyd at 147 will be a tough test. It would be nice to see Mayweather fight a real, prime welterweight at some point in his career. A jump to middleweight and a win over Pavlik would cement his greatness in my mind and put him in the same class as Duran, Leonard et al.

Unfortunately, the fights he takes resembles the way he fights: Safety first.

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Mayweather throws accurate shots over workrate and calculated shots are actually what knocks guys out. If you ever seen his earlier fights where he does finish guys, that's how he does it. Good finishers don't throw volume and hope to hit get a KO. Yeah that's how most guys do, but that's not what the best finishers in the world do. Floyd had a hard time succeeding in finishing Marquez because Marquez was still throwing back in volume every time he got him. Plus, this is a guy who's never been knocked out.


I find that a little bit strange, perhaps I just don't understand what you are saying about his power. Floyd usually tko'ed guys and never got too many outright KO's from what I remember of his early career, regardless, he has not carried his power up in weight as Manny has, and the last KO he had was against Hatton-who walked square into a check hook. I don't hold his power or finishing ability in much regard; he came in as a middleweight against Marquezand still couldn't, or wouldn't finish a guy much smaller than him.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a fan of Pacman but I'm also thinking that he's never faced a smart fighter like Mayweather. Say what you will about the mediocre talent out there in boxing now, but undefeated is undefeated and Mayweather showed why he is unbeaten against Marquez, though many do say it was a mismatch from the start.

I'll save the talk about the possible Pacman-Mayweather matchup until after the Pacquio-Cotto fight in November.
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