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tampabulls



Joined: 20 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CapnSamwise wrote:
yes because the army is exactly the same now as it was in the 40s

excellent argument sir i crown you king of logic. here is your orb and scepter


lol. omg k thanks for that i have a orb and scepter now you are the man

Welcome to the internets.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mc: You forgot about medically retired personnel. Also, I don't think there are too many civilian jobs where the boss won't can someone for telling the boss to "shove it"!

Fox: I wasn't aware we'd be redefining words willy nilly in this discussion.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Fox: I wasn't aware we'd be redefining words willy nilly in this discussion.


I didn't realize facing criminal charges for disobedience, quitting, or exercising freedom of movement was so dissimilar to slavery. Thanks for clearing it up. Always nice to know the element of our society that actively encourages and ennobles professional killers -- wasting many lives and vast quantities of our society's wealth in the process -- is willing to shrug off that kind of behavior. Maybe when the military has some true purpose outside of protecting us from other sociopaths like themselves and travelling around the world wrecking other countries in wars of discretion, I'll even feel the same way.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sociopaths, huh? Your use of that term to describe the military is quite telling.
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Sleepy in Seoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

conrad2 wrote:
Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
OP, the only flaw in your suggestion is that to follow your advice and get the benefits you claim is that I would have to become American. And I'm not prepared to have a lobotomy at my stage of life.


Like Kiwis are renowned for their intellect? Learn how to pronounce vowels properly first.
NZ doesnt really have much of a military and foreigners are allowed to join the US armed forces.

We may not be renowned for our intellect but neither are we renowned for our lack of it as are Americans. And at least we can spell.

You may be right that foreigners can join the U.S. military, but let me reiterate: I neither want nor need to have a lobotomy at this stage of my life.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Sociopaths, huh? Your use of that term to describe the military is quite telling.


Yes, it is quite telling. Specifically, it's quite telling regarding my opinion of people who will aim a gun at someone and kill them on command. Who will launch missiles into inhabitted areas in order to intentionally kill people on command. Who will torture prisoneres upon command. Who will literally wreck entire societies upon command.

How clear do I have to be? These sociopaths are a liability to the rest of us. Anyone doing more than arguing they're an unfortunately necessary evil is fighting a losing battle from any ethical perspective.
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mc: You forgot about medically retired personnel. Also, I don't think there are too many civilian jobs where the boss won't can someone for telling the boss to "shove it"!


They do very well- my question to you is; do you get VA disability right away because of documentation you get from the military medical facilities or do you still have to fill out the VA form 21-526 after you ETS?
A guy now works in my office who was appointed based on his injuries he sustained in Iraq. I can't really ask him because it would violate the Pirvacy Act of 1974.

About the canning- totally agree.
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rocket_scientist



Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Location: Prague

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in the Navy. It sucked. Never Again Volunteer Yourself. I wore those bell bottom pants and that faggoty sailor hat. I cleaned toilets and chipped paint. Then I chipped paint on the engines and wiped oil and then I clean the toilets in the electric shop. The Hull Technicians would blow the *hitters by putting a e hose in the toilet system and then give full pressure. It blew *hit on the ceiling and I had to clean it up. I liked to hang my @ss over the rail and crap in the sea two stories below. After the Navy, I became an officer in The US Public Health Service and I'd wear my uniform and go to Sand Point just to make people less important than me salute and call me sir.
It sucked.
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Jeonmunka



Joined: 05 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quit basic training for the army because I realised I didn't want to kill anyone.
Rather than think about your own death as a reason for not joining the army, also think about the deaths of others i.e., that you will kill another person.
That is, if your position in the army involves shooting.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
conrad2 wrote:
Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
OP, the only flaw in your suggestion is that to follow your advice and get the benefits you claim is that I would have to become American. And I'm not prepared to have a lobotomy at my stage of life.


Like Kiwis are renowned for their intellect? Learn how to pronounce vowels properly first.
NZ doesnt really have much of a military and foreigners are allowed to join the US armed forces.

We may not be renowned for our intellect but neither are we renowned for our lack of it as are Americans. And at least we can spell.

You may be right that foreigners can join the U.S. military, but let me reiterate: I neither want nor need to have a lobotomy at this stage of my life.


Foreigners can join the military but you can't get top secret clearance to get those sweet sweet jobs after you put in your four years anyway so seriously why bother.

However you can still get all the mac and cheese you could ever want if you are stationed in a foreign country. Now there is something worth killing for!
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Street Magic



Joined: 23 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
CentralCali wrote:
Sociopaths, huh? Your use of that term to describe the military is quite telling.


Yes, it is quite telling. Specifically, it's quite telling regarding my opinion of people who will aim a gun at someone and kill them on command. Who will launch missiles into inhabitted areas in order to intentionally kill people on command. Who will torture prisoneres upon command. Who will literally wreck entire societies upon command.

How clear do I have to be? These sociopaths are a liability to the rest of us. Anyone doing more than arguing they're an unfortunately necessary evil is fighting a losing battle from any ethical perspective.


I never disagreed with your stance on holding intentional killing as a moral wrong regardless of any government validation that might be behind it, but (and maybe I'm just nitpicking here) I believe a sociopath would be someone who doesn't experience empathy, guilt, or even anxiety, while soldiers are pretty well known to go through psychological trauma. You can be right in maintaining that what they're doing is wrong without having to maintain that they themselves are inherently sadistic. Running with your premise that killing is always wrong and given how much the military is based around breaking down the individual and adhering to protocol, it's much more likely that the average soldier is a regular, decent person who's simply been mislead by what you see as an unjust system. You could argue that this argument undervalues personal responsibility, but even then, there's a difference between wanting to do something wrong and not caring that it's wrong vs. agreeing to do something wrong under the assumption that it isn't.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd take out a small country to put food on my table. And I'd gladly take out three if I had a family to care for.

Just like this lame ass job teaching in Korea there are five other directionless meatheads willing to step up and do the job for a buck if you aren't.

When I'm on my death bed I don't want my last memory to be whether or not I correctly conjugated a verb while teaching Englishee in Korea.

I also don't want to be 70 years old sitting around with a group of friends shooting the breeze. "yeah, I spent twenty years in Korea teaching English...(quickly interrupted cause no one cares)"

"Let me tell you about those three...I blew up with a hand grenade..."

Now that's a story people want to hear.

I can tell the boss to shove it because I don't need to work at this point in my life. I work because I choose to.

I haven't lost a second of sleep thinking about all of the Iraqis killed while I was stationed in the military. I spend my time thinking about what I'm going to eat for breakfast.

War didn't faze me at all. What fazes me is being around lifeless idiots or doing mundane tasks day in and day out. Facing my mortality was the best thing I've ever done. I never take a day for granted.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
I'd take out a small country to put food on my table. And I'd gladly take out three if I had a family to care for.

Just like this lame ass job teaching in Korea there are five other directionless meatheads willing to step up and do the job for a buck if you aren't.

When I'm on my death bed I don't want my last memory to be whether or not I correctly conjugated a verb while teaching Englishee in Korea.

I also don't want to be 70 years old sitting around with a group of friends shooting the breeze. "yeah, I spent twenty years in Korea teaching English...(quickly interrupted cause no one cares)"

"Let me tell you about those three...I blew up with a hand grenade..."

Now that's a story people want to hear.

I can tell the boss to shove it because I don't need to work at this point in my life. I work because I choose to.

I haven't lost a second of sleep thinking about all of the Iraqis killed while I was stationed in the military. I spend my time thinking about what I'm going to eat for breakfast.

War didn't faze me at all. What fazes me is being around lifeless idiots or doing mundane tasks day in and day out. Facing my mortality was the best thing I've ever done. I never take a day for granted.


Right now I'm seriously thinking about a sausage and egg mcmuffin (sp?) at mcdonalds.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like you, Zulethe. You're my kind of guy.

However, and I say this as a staunch advocate of the US Armed Forces, your experience is far from typical.

The Armed Forces offer rewarding careers. They cannot guarantee easy-street, or middle-class retirement at a young age. You will earn your daily bread. This should be surprising to no one. If anyone should find this statement unreasonable, I am not professionally qualified to help you.

If I could go back to being 18, I'd definitely join the forces. I would have, had I not went to college.

But, then again, I'm one of those nutters who believes it to be honorable and enviable to die for your country. I'm also not so well cocooned in bizarre humanitarian ideology to find killing in duty to the benefit of one's people to be unpalatable. It's just a part of the human experience.

If you have a desire to serve your country (instead of to be served by your country as many creatures of entitlement believe today), the military is an excellent choice. I would not, however, expect a career in the armed forces to be a huge cut above other middle-class professions and therefore a short-cut to wealth.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
conrad2 wrote:
Sleepy in Seoul wrote:
OP, the only flaw in your suggestion is that to follow your advice and get the benefits you claim is that I would have to become American. And I'm not prepared to have a lobotomy at my stage of life.


Like Kiwis are renowned for their intellect? Learn how to pronounce vowels properly first.
NZ doesnt really have much of a military and foreigners are allowed to join the US armed forces.

We may not be renowned for our intellect but neither are we renowned for our lack of it as are Americans. And at least we can spell.

You may be right that foreigners can join the U.S. military, but let me reiterate: I neither want nor need to have a lobotomy at this stage of my life.


Foreigners can join the military but you can't get top secret clearance to get those sweet sweet jobs after you put in your four years anyway so seriously why bother.

However you can still get all the mac and cheese you could ever want if you are stationed in a foreign country. Now there is something worth killing for!


1. Not any foreigner can join the military. I think you need to at least be a permanent resident.

2. Very few in the military get top secret clearance.

3. I believe service in the military can speed up the citizenship process a little for a foreigner as well.
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