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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:25 am Post subject: |
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If Israel didn't want an "ARAB" police chief working the case, they should've committed the crime somewhere other than the United ARAB Emirates.
Clearly, Israel was behind this. What country in the region has a lot of white people including many from Europe, hates Hamas, and has a history of sending large assassination teams to kill individuals, sometimes using needles?
In 1973, Israel sent at least nine people to Norway to kill Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent unarmed man. Contrast that with Islamic Jihad or Hezbollah who killed 220 US Marines, 18 US Navy sailors and three US Army soldiers by sending only one of their soldiers to execute the attack in 1983.
The Arabs have never been subtle in their attacks. Something would've gone bang. They wouldn't have used a pillow.  |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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He is not "some" Arab police chief, but the one in charge of the investigation.
If the roles were reversed, this guy would be on here saying, "Well, the Israeli police chief knows more about the situation than you or I so I am going by that."
So transparent.  |
And not content with ignoring logic, you now claim to be able to read my mind AND look into alternate futures.
Where will it end? |
Guilty conscience, I see. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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The following three articles from The Jewish Chronicle are instructive:
Mossad 'told MI6 before Dubai murder'
A Mossad source has claimed that MI6 were tipped off before the Dubai assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, and told that British passports would be used, but they were not told the target or location of the killing.
Interpol wanted notices for Dubai Hamas assassins
Interpol has issued wanted notices for the suspected Mossad agents accused of killing a Hamas militant in a luxury Dubai hotel.
Dubai seeks Netanyahu arrest
By Jessica Elgot, March 3, 2010
Dubai�s police chief says he will seek an arrest warrant for Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in connection with the murder of a senior Hamas figure in Dubai.
Dahi Khalfan Tamim told the Al Jazeera tv station that he will ask the Dubai prosecutor for an arrest warrant for Mr Netanyahu, and for the head of Mossad, Meir Dagan.
See links or go to www.thejc.com for more info |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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With the British Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, being a Zionist with settler relatives in the West Bank, I didn't expect the British to really do anything about the passport fiasco. However, I am somewhat surprised the British were complicit.  |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: |
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At least there is one prosecution out of this.
Polish court upholds extradition of suspected Mossad agent
Posted: 2010/08/06
From: MNN
A Warsaw appeals court upheld Thursday extradition of alleged Mossad operative Uri Brodsky to Germany, where he is wanted for his logistic role in slaying of a Hamas official in Dubai.
Berlin, Aug 05, (IRNA) -- The appeals court confirmed an earlier verdict that Brodsky, an Israeli citizen, should be extradited to Germany on forgery charges but not for spying.
The ruling means Brodsky can be tried in Germany for forgery but not for espionage.
Israel had reportedly pressured the Polish government to prevent extradition of the Mossad operative to Germany which had issued a European arrest warrant on the alleged Mossad agent.
Germany filed for the suspect's extradition after he was arrested at Warsaw airport
on June 4.
The suspect's arrest was not for taking part in the Dubai murder but for aiding another agent to obtain a German passport fraudulently in the spring of 2009.
The passport had been used by a member of the Mossad death squad to enter Dubai for the killing of the Hamas official.
Mossad killer teams have in the past used German passports for secret operations although some of them had been forged, according to press reports.
Germany and Israel have a very deep and comprehensive military and intelligence cooperation whose details remain highly secretive to the German public. # |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| I really don't think any of us would condone our own governments using false passports of other countries in this manner. |
So long as the passports were forged rather than stolen, I'd take no particular issue with it; the forging of passports is by far the most trivial aspect of this case. Only a dedicated anti-Israeli would take serious offense at it; even the governments whose passports were forged aren't doing anything about it in terms of their relations with Israel, and the only reason anti-Israelis are even making a big deal about it is because it's almost impossible to justify an ethical complaint against Israel for assassinating a man who kidnapped and murdered Israelis.
If the target had been an otherwise innocent man whose assassination was actually worthy of particular ethical condemnation, we wouldn't be hearing much about this passport issue, because the anti-Israelis would have a genuine basis for attacking Israel instead of having to make a mountain out of a molehill. |
By your logic then many top Israelis would be prime candidates for assassination. Some of the former Israeli PRIME MINISTERS committed and sanctioned atrocities that hamas can only dream of committing. I'm looking at you Ariel Sharon. In my view any country that can elect a man like mr. Sharon is morally weak, and since it is a democracy not a dictatorship, the population at large is somewhat responsible for the actions of its government. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| What happened to Fox? |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:51 am Post subject: |
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From Wikileaks. But why would the UAE even consider keeping this quiet?
UAE considered keeping Hamas hit quiet
By ADAM SCHRECK, Associated Press Adam Schreck, Associated Press � Tue Dec 28, 5:12 am ET
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates � Diplomatic cables recently released by WikiLeaks indicate authorities in the United Arab Emirates debated whether to keep quiet about the high-profile killing of a Hamas operative in Dubai in January.
The documents also show the UAE sought U.S. help in tracking down details of credit cards Dubai police believe were used by a foreign hit squad involved in the killing. The spy novel-like slaying, complete with faked passports and assassins in disguise, is widely believed to be the work of Israeli secret agents.
Dubai officials didn't discuss Mahmoud al-Mabhouh's death publicly until Jan. 29 � nine days after his body was discovered in a locked airport hotel room and only after Hamas itself announced the killing.
The delayed acknowledgment followed talks at the highest levels of the UAE government, where officials discussed whether "to say nothing at all, or to reveal more or less the full extent of the UAE's investigations," according to one of the cables.
Police initially referred to the killers as an "experienced criminal gang" traveling on European passports, and only later blamed Israel's Mossad spy agency directly. Hamas also accuses Israel of the slaying.
Israel has never acknowledged that it carried out the hit.
The cables, which were released Saturday, don't shed new light on the killers' identities. But in one, the American ambassador to the Emirati capital Abu Dhabi points to a possible motive behind the UAE's decision to eventually reveal details of the murder.
"Saying nothing would have been perceived as protecting the Israelis and in the end, the UAE chose to tell all," Ambassador Richard Olson wrote. "The statement was carefully drafted not to point any fingers, but the reference ... to a gang with western passports will be read locally as referring to the Mossad."
Another cable outlines a request the Emirates made on Feb. 24 for U.S. help in tracking down cardholder details and other information relating to credit cards linked to the suspected killers.
Dubai police say many of the alleged members of the hit squad used prepaid credit cards issued by a bank in Iowa that were distributed through another U.S. company known as Payoneer.
U.S. embassy officials passed on details of the request to the FBI and urged Washington to handle it urgently, according to the cable.
Dubai's government media office said it was looking into the disclosures and had no immediate comment on Tuesday. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| So after all this time, it STILL hasn't been proven that Israel planned or carried out these hits. And if it WAS Israel...why would the UAE consider not saying anything? |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| What happened to Fox? |
I was on vacation at the time, so I didn't check the forum on a daily basis, and only really skimmed when I did. I probably just missed his response, though I also don't really have anything to say on the topic of Israeli ministers hypothetically being assassinated; I don't like assassination, but the level to which I'm going to condemn it is going to be directly linked to how unjust the assasination is.
I agree with him, though, that the population of Israel bears some responsibility for the actions of its government. |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
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The media have devoted thousands of column inches to the assisination of a terrorist in Dubai.
Yet we don't hear a word about the oppression and brutality toward women that is happening in Palestinian society.
13 Women die in honor killings in the Palestinian territories in January 2010
Palestinian human rights organizations release a more conservative number - only seven - based on the numbers of women left in public streets or fields to be seen as "honor killing" victims. Salam says her source put the total at more than 13, these excess six murdered women taken by relatives to hospitals to be registered as natural deaths.
http://palestinenote.com/blogs/news/archive/2010/03/12/honor-killings-on-the-rise-in-palestinian-territories.aspx
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| their are about 45,000 of Muslim's living in Ireland. |
Trebling every decade.
Welcome to the Islamic holy city of Dublin. Twinned with the holy Islamic city of Paris. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:46 am Post subject: |
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The media have devoted thousands of column inches to the assisination of a terrorist in Dubai.
Yet we don't hear a word about the oppression and brutality toward women that is happening in Palestinian society.
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Well, let's try a thought experiment. Here's one of bacasper's headlines from above...
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| Mossad 'told MI6 before Dubai murder' |
Now can you imagine a headline in a newspaper that reads...
[quote]Palestinian father told MI6 before honor killing[quote]
If you reflect upon the differences in plausibility between those two headlines, you might begin to see what I'm getting at here. A possible Israeli assassination in Dubai is an international incident. It has serious GLOBAL implications, not only for Dubai, but for the UK, and any other country involved in whatever way. An honor killing in Palestine doesn't have anywhere near the international impact. Hence, the patent absurdity of the idea that the killer would say anything about it to MI6(or likely anyone outside his family, for that matter). |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:34 am Post subject: |
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.... is an international incident. |
You seem to be magnifying what is a relatively minor (and justified) event to punish Israel.
Is it not a way more serious international incident though, with serious global implications, when Iran funds Hamas to carry out terrorist bombings in Israel, or when Syria funds and supplies Hezbollah to attack Israelis?
How about when Saudi Arabia is proven to directly fund internationally recognized terror groups- including those threatening US forces.
http://www.jcpa.org/art/brief1-23.htm |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
You seem to be magnifying what is a relatively minor (and justified) event to punish Israel. |
Christian zionists are an embarrassment to our civilization. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:51 am Post subject: |
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How about when Saudi Arabia is proven to directly fund internationally recognized terror groups- including those threatening US forces.
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And that's not being covered? Here is an LA Times article about Saudis funding terrorism. And here is one from the Washington Post.
As for Syria backing Hezbollah, you think that's some sort of supressed fact?
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The US wants Syria to move away from its alliance with Iran, and abandon its support for Hezbollah and the Palestinian Islamist movement, Hamas.
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