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kiknkorea
Joined: 16 May 2008
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Overrated
Pearl Jam
Smashing Pumpkins
Aerosmith
Janis Joplin
Underrated
Slade
Blondie
Willie Nelson
Jerry Lee Lewis |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Saw U2 last year in Vancouver. Fantastic show! The Black Eyed Peas opened up and were quite boring.
Maiden & Priest are the pinaccles of metal. Your Opeths, Sepulturas, Panteras etc never came close.
Otherwise, Accept is pretty underrated even though Restless, Balls & Metal Heart are timeless. Dream Theater catches a lot of flack too. Same with Uriah Heep.
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U2 is one of the bands that I can listen to again and again at times.
I am addicted to the rythm (as you guys said their songs are pretty similar), guess that's why they can make many people keep buying their albums. |
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Gibberish
Joined: 29 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Street Magic wrote: |
| The song "Money" is way more obnoxious and poppy than anything put out by Nirvana. |
This statement is seriously blowing my mind right now.
Yes, 7/4 time, Saxophone solos, flanged guitars and psychedelic solos are all way more poppy than the beginning 0-1-2 riff that Come As You Are has, durrrrrr |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:32 am Post subject: |
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I will admit that "Money" isn't my favorite song. It doesn't have much melody or depth to me. I prefer the cold, shimmering beauty of "Time" or the quirky, buzzy elegance of "Brain Damage." Just not a lot of Cyndi Lauper songs with this poetic depth.
But as a whole, Dark Side is a masterpiece, and far beyond anything Cobain could ever have thought up in his drug-addled potty mind. But that doesn't mean that Nirvana doesn't have their moments or that they weren't influential or novel in what they did.
I have a soft spot for Judas Priest. More innocent times when the bigger the speakers the better in your car, or the more Heavy Metal half-naked girl stickers on your car hood the better. Lee Aaron as well. Just more fun in that music than in NIN's dark, grim thrashes and death-porn videos. |
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soakitincider
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:55 am Post subject: |
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OR- Most Pop
Ur- Most quality players and singers who aren't good looking. Man, I'm old.
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Gibberish wrote: |
| Street Magic wrote: |
| The song "Money" is way more obnoxious and poppy than anything put out by Nirvana. |
This statement is seriously blowing my mind right now.
Yes, 7/4 time, Saxophone solos, flanged guitars and psychedelic solos are all way more poppy than the beginning 0-1-2 riff that Come As You Are has, durrrrrr |
I've heard the unorthodox time signature argument from Tool fans a lot and don't much understand why that should be seen as some huge factor in anything. Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh repeat instead of duh duh duh duh repeat isn't that mind blowing of a difference. My bias against drummers could be its own thread though.
And it's poppy in my mind precisely because it's so gaudy and overproduced. Do you think the synthesizer dominated '80s were anti-pop too? Lame sound effects and lamer pretentious vocals are why I don't just set the radio to some modern popular music station.
Simplicity isn't the definition of pop music. Rod Stewart's music might well have been more complex than Nirvana's was, to use that example again. You don't seem to have much of a genuine connection to the music you like what with all your arguments hinging on really shallow false dichotomies like "good vs. simple" or "complicated vs. popular." Song structure is just the medium-- it can be elaborate as Hell or notably basic and neither will dictate alone whether the artistic message is exceptional or not. Beck (the one who put out "Mellow Gold") wrote some very simple low fi repetitive music, but his sound was so unconventional yet listenable that he got celebrated as an artistic genius.
It's the whole concept behind "postmodern:" instead of being all pretentious and two dimensional in trying to sound important or deep when you aren't, the new goal is to make your realism and blemishes the focus in a subversively simple and listenable way. It's the same basic reason why Heath Ledger Joker was way more interesting than Jack Nicholson Joker or why Pantera was way more edgy and real sounding than Van Halen (and no, the reason isn't that Cobain, Ledger, and Dimebag all died young-- otherwise, INXS would be cool too). There's a quality of fakeness and superficiality exemplified by the over the top Reagan '80s and rebelled against by the minimalist '90s. You're making the mistake of taking the term "superficiality" superficially and thinking of it as any music that isn't covered with layers of pompous overproduction. That's like thinking an ascetic monk isn't deep 'cause he only owns one change of clothes. |
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Tycho Brahe
Joined: 15 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon, SK
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: |
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mr. street magic, that was brilliantly written.
I have a slightly more visceral reaction to pink floyyd -- a band i would definitley consider as the most overrated band of all time if it weren't for the syd barrett days.
paltry, trite messages hidden behind garish production and wank-solos in the place of genuine progression in their music.
enough of the bitchiness.
The following are 2 bands that when they get attention they get the recognition they deserve, yet they lack the general awareness that they deserve (pm me if you can't find their material)
as i watch you from afar (http://thequietus.com/articles/01559-and-so-i-watch-you-from-afar-and-so-i-watch-you-from-afar)
channel one (like a more industrial m83 http://www.nialler9.com/2009/11/03/new-channel-one-soubresat/) |
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mheartley
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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OR: Pretty much all the early grunge bands except Alice in Chains, which is the only one I find listenable. They're not even that typically grungy sounding anyway, despite being classed in that group.
Radiohead also, and quite a bit of other alternative.
Metallica.
UR: King's X, Megadeth (they've always been in the shadow of Metallica despite being far better musicians, imo), Type O Negative, and a bunch of other obscure stuff. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Tycho Brahe wrote: |
as i watch you from afar (http://thequietus.com/articles/01559-and-so-i-watch-you-from-afar-and-so-i-watch-you-from-afar) |
And So I Watch You From Afar are the best band around at the moment. The first album was fantastic. The latest EP, Letters, is even better. There's a new album release coming sometime this year. If you want to check out some mindblowingly brilliant post-rock, give them a listen. You will not be disappointed. |
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Gibberish
Joined: 29 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I will motherf***ing kill you, that is how angry your tripe makes me 
All in all, I say different strokes and live and let live. Musical tastes are one of those things people seem to focus on with a particularly annoying amount of snobbery. I never really got why people get so angry about other people's musical tastes. |
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DeLaRed
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| OR: Coldplay, Dave Matthew Band, Pearl Jam. |
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Street Magic
Joined: 23 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Gibberish wrote: |
I will motherf***ing kill you, that is how angry your tripe makes me :P
All in all, I say different strokes and live and let live. Musical tastes are one of those things people seem to focus on with a particularly annoying amount of snobbery. I never really got why people get so angry about other people's musical tastes. |
Word. Most of the bands I like were influenced by bands I hate, so I can't really get that pissed off at a difference in musical preference.
Unless of course you're a Talking Heads fan. You're not even a human being if you get off listening to that kind of sonic feces. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Dang, forgot all about Pink Floyd. Terrible band, IMO.
Nirvana was leaps and bounds better. Yes, I just said that. |
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robot
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Pink Floyd and Nirvana are two of the best bands of all time. Taste is relative, but if you can't at least recognize Pink Floyd's musicianship or Nirvana's game-changing sound, you have no idea what you're talking about. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| robot wrote: |
| Pink Floyd and Nirvana are two of the best bands of all time. Taste is relative, but if you can't at least recognize Pink Floyd's musicianship or Nirvana's game-changing sound, you have no idea what you're talking about. |
LOL! So recognizing musicianship and thinking a band is terrible are mutually exclusive?
Once again, Pink Floyd can suck it. |
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