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CeleryMan
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Draz wrote: |
| I daydream. The best way to fall asleep is to forget that you're trying. Whatever you do, do not think about your real life. That isn't daydreaming. |
kush induced? |
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nfld_chingu
Joined: 29 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:50 am Post subject: |
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I used to get insomnia a lot when I was in high school ... I think it was because I was very inactive/sedentary. When I went to university I started working out regularly, and ever since then I can sleep very easily. If I'm upset about something, occasionally I have difficulty sleeping.
I watch TV to help me sleep but now if I try to watch TV or a movie I have difficulty staying awake lol. |
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mcviking
Joined: 24 Mar 2009
Location: 'Fantastic' America
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| I never thought I would see NYC getting attacked by not being natural enough. The girl grows organic veggies her self for christ sakes! I have terrible insomnia but I have been biking two miles twice a day for a week and it has improved. Bikes are awesome. Honestly, all of these naturalist types piss me off and are usually the ones that are always sick. I eat whatever I want, drink, smoke, and hardly ever get sick. Been sick for like a day in Korea. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| mcviking wrote: |
| I never thought I would see NYC getting attacked by not being natural enough. The girl grows organic veggies her self for christ sakes! I have terrible insomnia but I have been biking two miles twice a day for a week and it has improved. Bikes are awesome. Honestly, all of these naturalist types piss me off and are usually the ones that are always sick. I eat whatever I want, drink, smoke, and hardly ever get sick. Been sick for like a day in Korea. |
I'm not some tree hugger. I just like fresh, clean foods. You'd think, what with the obesity epidemic in the states (my father included) that it would be a good thing for more Americans to get back to basics. Do I have the occasional comfort food or drink? Of course! I had a hot toddie last night. I don't drink MUCH because I can't handle it (I'm extremely petite) and end up getting silly, but I'm certainly not a vegan whiner. Eat and drink whatever you want. Hell, smoke whatever you want�just stay downwind from me.
Occasional sleeplessness remedied with xanax is fine. Occasional rage caused by coworker remedied with xanax is fine  |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| mcviking wrote: |
| I never thought I would see NYC getting attacked by not being natural enough. The girl grows organic veggies her self for christ sakes! I have terrible insomnia but I have been biking two miles twice a day for a week and it has improved. Bikes are awesome. Honestly, all of these naturalist types piss me off and are usually the ones that are always sick. I eat whatever I want, drink, smoke, and hardly ever get sick. Been sick for like a day in Korea. |
If you wanted to quote the typical very sick person your words are perfect to use represent them. Doing all that stuff and not being able to feel sick is a sign of being very sick. Your words have uncaring unsensitive left brain idiot all over them. I suggest you go do some real tests to determine your health. I bet your emotional intelligence scores would be caveman like. Most men have entered stage two on the planet in that they are intergrating feelings and such, some of now are in stage 3 in that our masculine energy is our strongest attribute but we can feel our feelings. You sir and I hope it is sir are so cut off from feelings you are a caveman.
I invite ny gal to throw away the crutch and have the guts to feel all the feelings that life has. If you numb feelings eventually you will be numb and depressed. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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It's not a crutch, it's a cane. If someone is born with a leg problem, and they use a cane later on, do you tell them to suck it up and get over it?
I was born with a hereditary condition. All of the women in my maternal line suffer from insomnia and occasional anxiety attacks. I work out, relax, and live a very healthy life. The only thing I don't want to feel is tired. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
It's not a crutch, it's a cane. If someone is born with a leg problem, and they use a cane later on, do you tell them to suck it up and get over it?
I was born with a hereditary condition. All of the women in my maternal line suffer from insomnia and occasional anxiety attacks. I work out, relax, and live a very healthy life. The only thing I don't want to feel is tired. |
You can solve the problem by going into it. No pattern can survive awareness. Just because everyone else in your family had something doesn't mean you have to. First step is to face it head on without numbing it with drugs. Look for people who can help you get clearer on what causes it instead of trying to supress it. Growth as humans comes from getting past our programs. So your family has a similar program, you can solve it or pass it on. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I did solve it. 
Go hump a tree while wearing some crystals and reeking of patchouli and BO, hippie.
Seriously, other people. ME calling someone a tree-hugging hippie.  |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| D.D., while I am in general agreement with you, lay off NYC. You're sounding preachy and it is getting annoying. It is up to the user to figure out if s/he has a problem, NOT YOU. You don't know that person nor are around them at all so please STFU. Anyone in AA, NA, etc knows that one has to "discover" his/her problem on his/her own. You gave your 2 cents, so please give it a rest. |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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sorry if I'm repeating what other posters have already said here - I've not read through the thread, just the OP's question.
I've had difficulty sleeping pretty often and haven't found any quick fix. What a lot of insomniacs recommend though is not lying there worrying about not sleeping - this just makes it worse. Instead, get up, make some chamomile tea and read until you actually feel tired. I've found that this is useful advice. Even if you end up having 4 hours sleep you can at least make it through the day at work.
As a long term solution I wouldn't underestimate the effects of caffeine. I've found that by cutting out all drinks that contain caffeine I sleep much more soundly and can get into a routine of sleep. Generally I"ll be tired by 11 or midnight. By giving up all caffeine I mean not just coffee but tea and soft drinks too. When I first tried this the impact was enormous - even one cup of coffee in the morning can definitely have an effect if you are having trouble sleeping.
The other thing to consider developing a routine of preparing for bed - this way you condition your mind into being ready for sleep. For example at 10pm you take a bath. At half past you lie on your bed and read. At 11pm you make a cup of herbal tea. This really worked for an old friend of mine - and was the advice of his doctor.
I've found that drinking chamomile tea is helpful. Valerian tea or valerian root steeped in boiling water is stronger. You'll notice the effect of valerian in the morning though - it makes you feel a bit groggy. I'm not sure if this is available in Korea but if not I'm sure you could order it online.
Also - regular gentle exercise can help as can being careful about your diet. You might find meditation beneficial as well.
Finally, if you suffer from insomnia the general advice is to avoid things like computer games, action movies or any kind of media that is over-stimulating for a few hours before going to bed. Basically this kind of stuff gives you some kind of adrenaline rush I guess. |
Best advice so far.^^^^^
Meditate. Exercise. I like coffee, but I know it prevents me from dozing off at a normal time.
As a teenager/young adult I ate like *beep* and had suffered with bouts of insomnia for periods of time. I no longer eat like *beep*. "You are what you eat" is not just some catchy quote.
Reading and tea in the eve are also good. Those chemicals in those pills can be harmful and are not for everyone.
Sometimes we just need a good reconditioning of mind, body and soul.
Although it shall take me many years to master (maybe never fully), I believe mind over matter is more powerful than any synthetic treatment for one's ailment. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| D.D., while I am in general agreement with you, lay off NYC. You're sounding preachy and it is getting annoying. It is up to the user to figure out if s/he has a problem, NOT YOU. You don't know that person nor are around them at all so please STFU. Anyone in AA, NA, etc knows that one has to "discover" his/her problem on his/her own. You gave your 2 cents, so please give it a rest. |
Nothing wrong in showing someone a different angle on life. people get stuck in a perspective and believe it to be reality. Nothing wrong with presenting another view. Funny how their mind jumps to the tree hugging hippy thing as I couldn't be farther from a hippie if I tried.
I have studied the aa and na models and the just dont work for most people as they make the person think they are an addict rather than saying that part of them is an addict and that part can be transformed or let go of. The models where people realise they are no longer a drinker , addict or smoker works better. Feel sorry for people who identify themselves as an addict. Fine line but I have seen better models then aa and na.
People need to learn to feel and get past the feelings they are trying to suppress. Once they are dealt with the numbing agent is no longer sought after in most cases. |
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mimi belle
Joined: 11 Jul 2010
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People should make their own decisions.
I agree about the caffeine. I very rarely have anything with caffeine but if/when I do, I try to make sure it's no later than 2 in the afternoon. Sometimes I'll make an exception for chocolate dessert after dinner but not for coffee.
Exercise is very helpful. Physical exertion helps you feel tired in a way that mental exertion alone will not.
Sunlight is also important. Daylight helps set sleep cycles for a number of reasons. As an added bonus, in the summer, skin produces vitamin D in sunlight.
Combine exercise + sunlight by going for a walk. It helps to remember that even plants need sunlight and dogs need a walk.
Protein is said to make you alert, carbohydrates will make you sleepy. Too much of one or the other for dinner is not good. |
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goingtothecountry
Joined: 15 Aug 2010
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| I don't know if you're religious or not (I'm christian but not overty so) but I find praying and talking to God about everything on my mind usually puts me out like a light. |
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laguna
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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sleeping pills
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pangaea
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| You can solve the problem by going into it. No pattern can survive awareness. Just because everyone else in your family had something doesn't mean you have to. First step is to face it head on without numbing it with drugs. Look for people who can help you get clearer on what causes it instead of trying to supress it. Growth as humans comes from getting past our programs. So your family has a similar program, you can solve it or pass it on. |
OMG, she said she takes a pill every now and then to help her sleep. That's not numbing anything with drugs. Someone who gets drunk everyday or takes a handful of sleeping pills every night can be accused of "numbing" themselves. It's great that you took a few psychology courses in college but that doesn't make you an expert. You're just being pedantic and condescending. Go find a real problem to discuss. |
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