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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Anytime someone dies during a police action, for any reason, there should be a substantial external investigation done. I seriously doubt this cop actually wanted to kill the kid in question, but he pretty clearly wasn't taking the kids safety seriously enough. Whether someone is fleeing from you or not, it's your responsibility as a cop to not run them over with your car. I don't know if "evil murderer" is an appropriate descriptor (I guess it might be if the cop really did intend on running the kid down), but at the very least he was a "reckless manslaughterer." |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| I agree he might be a evil murderer |
I am glad at least some of us can agree on this. |
I think that you missed the key word. I'm far from convinced, but it is possible.[/b] |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I'm on a new laptop and I can't get the video to play but from the story it certainly seems the cops were out of line.
The facts in the OPs case seem pretty certain- That the cops told the suspect to stop becuase he was under suspicion, he ran, the cops chased him, he slipped and fell, he got run over, officer pulled something out of the car.
Look just as there are scuzzbucket cops and cop apologists so too are there anarchists with no sense of law and order who irrationally blame the police for everything.
I love how the same people who say a cop should tolerate any kind of abuse hurled at them are them same people who say "man if anyone disrespected me like that I'd stomp them".
It's easy to criticize, but you go try and be police. Suddenly you aren't such a big talker.
Unless you've done the job all you are is talk.
Everyone thinks the cops are nazis until they have to work the night owl shift at the gas station/corner store. After that first time getting locked in the cooler or pistol whipped by a robber suddenly everyone sings a different tune. Are there some dirtbag cops? Sure and seems like a lot of cops are cracking these days but remember the other guys are way worse.
Unless you think muggers and rapists respond to flowers and hugs... |
What you don't realize is that you yourself are by the very definition a cop apologist. According to you cops can do no wrong. You talk of bad police officers but you have yet to give one example where they acted in such a way. When we give you very clear cut examples of police brutality you try to spin the issue by saying it's hard being a cop or by blaming the victim. It makes me question whether you have properly thought out the issue before giving out your gut-feeling reaction.
Cops are no exception, if a doctor killed someone and acted very unprofessionally I'd expect them to lose their job at the very least. The same goes with a pharmacist that kills a baby or pilot that endangers the passengers by drinking on the job. Those jobs aren't easy either, they can easily endanger or kill people, but we expect the same level of professionalism or you should find some other job, it's really that simple.
Don't worry about your precious police officers losing their jobs, there are plenty of people that need jobs. It's a terrible recession and from what my lawyer friends tell me, there is a long line up of people that are awaiting job call backs from the police department. People would love nothing more than a secure job that pays the bills. We don't need unprofessional cops when they are easily replaced. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I agree he might be a evil murderer |
I am glad at least some of us can agree on this. |
I think that you missed the key word. I'm far from convinced, but it is possible. |
I missed nothing, but let me restate for your sake:
I am glad at least some of us can agree that he might be an evil murderer. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I agree he might be a evil murderer |
I am glad at least some of us can agree on this. |
I think that you missed the key word. I'm far from convinced, but it is possible. |
I missed nothing, but let me restate for your sake:
I am glad at least some of us can agree that he might be an evil murderer. |
O.K., just checking, didn't want to be misconstrued. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Everyone thinks the cops are nazis until they have to work the night owl shift at the gas station/corner store. After that first time getting locked in the cooler or pistol whipped by a robber suddenly everyone sings a different tune. |
Yes. At that point, having been pistol whipped by a robber or locked in a cooler, it becomes obvious that the cops are not only evil fascists toward the innocent, they are also clueless and useless in defending the innocent against criminals.
Cops primarily violate the rights of the innocent and seldom serve any useful purpose.
We have to defend ourselves first. The cops are never there when they're needed. They're too busy tasing bedridden old ladies on oxygen, arresting grandmothers for pot use, eating doughnuts (an almost universally accurate stereotype in the US), and running down children on bicycles.
People need to arm themselves and protect themselves. We need to repeal all the victimless crime laws against drug use, prostitution and gambling. And finally, we need to privatize the protection services that we actually need and fire the fascist socialist cops. These three steps will allow people to defend themselves and thereby discourage most real criminals from the outset, eliminate the causes of most murders and robberies, and take away the power of the thugs in blue that cause the most violations of civil rights and civil liberties of the American people. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Everyone thinks the cops are nazis until they have to work the night owl shift at the gas station/corner store. After that first time getting locked in the cooler or pistol whipped by a robber suddenly everyone sings a different tune. |
Yes. At that point, having been pistol whipped by a robber or locked in a cooler, it becomes obvious that the cops are not only evil fascists toward the innocent, they are also clueless and useless in defending the innocent against criminals.
Cops primarily violate the rights of the innocent and seldom serve any useful purpose.
We have to defend ourselves first. The cops are never there when they're needed. They're too busy tasing bedridden old ladies on oxygen, arresting grandmothers for pot use, eating doughnuts (an almost universally accurate stereotype in the US), and running down children on bicycles.
People need to arm themselves and protect themselves. We need to repeal all the victimless crime laws against drug use, prostitution and gambling. And finally, we need to privatize the protection services that we actually need and fire the fascist socialist cops. These three steps will allow people to defend themselves and thereby discourage most real criminals from the outset, eliminate the causes of most murders and robberies, and take away the power of the thugs in blue that cause the most violations of civil rights and civil liberties of the American people. |
Now they are fascist and socialist! Sorry to keep brining this up, but it annoys the heck out of me. How are they fascist and or socialist? I get that you don't like them, but come on man. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Everyone thinks the cops are nazis until they have to work the night owl shift at the gas station/corner store. After that first time getting locked in the cooler or pistol whipped by a robber suddenly everyone sings a different tune. |
Yes. At that point, having been pistol whipped by a robber or locked in a cooler, it becomes obvious that the cops are not only evil fascists toward the innocent, they are also clueless and useless in defending the innocent against criminals.
Cops primarily violate the rights of the innocent and seldom serve any useful purpose.
We have to defend ourselves first. The cops are never there when they're needed. They're too busy tasing bedridden old ladies on oxygen, arresting grandmothers for pot use, eating doughnuts (an almost universally accurate stereotype in the US), and running down children on bicycles.
People need to arm themselves and protect themselves. We need to repeal all the victimless crime laws against drug use, prostitution and gambling. And finally, we need to privatize the protection services that we actually need and fire the fascist socialist cops. These three steps will allow people to defend themselves and thereby discourage most real criminals from the outset, eliminate the causes of most murders and robberies, and take away the power of the thugs in blue that cause the most violations of civil rights and civil liberties of the American people. |
Now they are fascist and socialist! Sorry to keep brining this up, but it annoys the heck out of me. How are they fascist and or socialist? I get that you don't like them, but come on man. |
They are socialist because they are paid for by tax money stolen from innocent citizens by the government instead of being paid through some voluntary means.
They are fascists because they follow and enforce the evil, fascist edicts of the government that violate the civil liberties of all Americans, from the national level on down. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Everyone thinks the cops are nazis until they have to work the night owl shift at the gas station/corner store. After that first time getting locked in the cooler or pistol whipped by a robber suddenly everyone sings a different tune. |
Yes. At that point, having been pistol whipped by a robber or locked in a cooler, it becomes obvious that the cops are not only evil fascists toward the innocent, they are also clueless and useless in defending the innocent against criminals.
Cops primarily violate the rights of the innocent and seldom serve any useful purpose.
We have to defend ourselves first. The cops are never there when they're needed. They're too busy tasing bedridden old ladies on oxygen, arresting grandmothers for pot use, eating doughnuts (an almost universally accurate stereotype in the US), and running down children on bicycles.
People need to arm themselves and protect themselves. We need to repeal all the victimless crime laws against drug use, prostitution and gambling. And finally, we need to privatize the protection services that we actually need and fire the fascist socialist cops. These three steps will allow people to defend themselves and thereby discourage most real criminals from the outset, eliminate the causes of most murders and robberies, and take away the power of the thugs in blue that cause the most violations of civil rights and civil liberties of the American people. |
Now they are fascist and socialist! Sorry to keep brining this up, but it annoys the heck out of me. How are they fascist and or socialist? I get that you don't like them, but come on man. |
This cop was fascist because of his no tolerance attitude and demand for immediate obeisance to his word. The kid was suspected of trespassing on some vacant lot. Big effin' deal! You tried to get him, he got away (or he should have rather than risk his life. Was his ego so threatened by someone who dare defy him? Had it been a murder suspect or major bank robbery, then he could be more serious. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Everyone thinks the cops are nazis until they have to work the night owl shift at the gas station/corner store. After that first time getting locked in the cooler or pistol whipped by a robber suddenly everyone sings a different tune. |
Yes. At that point, having been pistol whipped by a robber or locked in a cooler, it becomes obvious that the cops are not only evil fascists toward the innocent, they are also clueless and useless in defending the innocent against criminals.
Cops primarily violate the rights of the innocent and seldom serve any useful purpose.
We have to defend ourselves first. The cops are never there when they're needed. They're too busy tasing bedridden old ladies on oxygen, arresting grandmothers for pot use, eating doughnuts (an almost universally accurate stereotype in the US), and running down children on bicycles.
People need to arm themselves and protect themselves. We need to repeal all the victimless crime laws against drug use, prostitution and gambling. And finally, we need to privatize the protection services that we actually need and fire the fascist socialist cops. These three steps will allow people to defend themselves and thereby discourage most real criminals from the outset, eliminate the causes of most murders and robberies, and take away the power of the thugs in blue that cause the most violations of civil rights and civil liberties of the American people. |
Now they are fascist and socialist! Sorry to keep brining this up, but it annoys the heck out of me. How are they fascist and or socialist? I get that you don't like them, but come on man. |
They are socialist because they are paid for by tax money stolen from innocent citizens by the government instead of being paid through some voluntary means.
They are fascists because they follow and enforce the evil, fascist edicts of the government that violate the civil liberties of all Americans, from the national level on down. |
Atlas shrugged, hell yeah |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Everyone thinks the cops are nazis until they have to work the night owl shift at the gas station/corner store. After that first time getting locked in the cooler or pistol whipped by a robber suddenly everyone sings a different tune. |
Yes. At that point, having been pistol whipped by a robber or locked in a cooler, it becomes obvious that the cops are not only evil fascists toward the innocent, they are also clueless and useless in defending the innocent against criminals.
Cops primarily violate the rights of the innocent and seldom serve any useful purpose.
We have to defend ourselves first. The cops are never there when they're needed. They're too busy tasing bedridden old ladies on oxygen, arresting grandmothers for pot use, eating doughnuts (an almost universally accurate stereotype in the US), and running down children on bicycles.
People need to arm themselves and protect themselves. We need to repeal all the victimless crime laws against drug use, prostitution and gambling. And finally, we need to privatize the protection services that we actually need and fire the fascist socialist cops. These three steps will allow people to defend themselves and thereby discourage most real criminals from the outset, eliminate the causes of most murders and robberies, and take away the power of the thugs in blue that cause the most violations of civil rights and civil liberties of the American people. |
Now they are fascist and socialist! Sorry to keep brining this up, but it annoys the heck out of me. How are they fascist and or socialist? I get that you don't like them, but come on man. |
They are socialist because they are paid for by tax money stolen from innocent citizens by the government instead of being paid through some voluntary means.
They are fascists because they follow and enforce the evil, fascist edicts of the government that violate the civil liberties of all Americans, from the national level on down. |
Atlas shrugged, hell yeah |
Oh hyperbole how I hate you. Taking complicated ideas and making them catch alls is repugnant. You can live in a state of nature if you like, shouldn't be too hard to get into Somalia. By the way Socialism refers to government ownership of methods of production, not providing basic services. Fascism doesn't necessarily mean what you think it does, either. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:10 am Post subject: |
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When the government provides what you call "basic services" it either owns or controls the means of production of those services and hence it is socialist.
There is nothing provided by the government that is needed by the people that will not be provided better and cheaper in a free market. Nothing.
Everything that the government provides that is needed can be provided through voluntary free market financing.
There are, of course, things that some other people want and are unwilling to pay for, so they prefer to use the socialist method of stealing money in the name of government instead of paying themselves. This is socialism. Socialists are the greediest people on Earth. They not only want to keep what is theirs, they want to force others to pay for things they want, but they don't want badly enough to pay themselves - so they use the power of the state to steal the money through taxation. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
When the government provides what you call "basic services" it either owns or controls the means of production of those services and hence it is socialist.
There is nothing provided by the government that is needed by the people that will not be provided better and cheaper in a free market. Nothing.
Everything that the government provides that is needed can be provided through voluntary free market financing.
There are, of course, things that some other people want and are unwilling to pay for, so they prefer to use the socialist method of stealing money in the name of government instead of paying themselves. This is socialism. Socialists are the greediest people on Earth. They not only want to keep what is theirs, they want to force others to pay for things they want, but they don't want badly enough to pay themselves - so they use the power of the state to steal the money through taxation. |
Socialism isn't going away, it's quite the opposite. People are too dumb, not very good critical thinkers.
Which country you from?
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
When the government provides what you call "basic services" it either owns or controls the means of production of those services and hence it is socialist.
There is nothing provided by the government that is needed by the people that will not be provided better and cheaper in a free market. Nothing.
Everything that the government provides that is needed can be provided through voluntary free market financing.
There are, of course, things that some other people want and are unwilling to pay for, so they prefer to use the socialist method of stealing money in the name of government instead of paying themselves. This is socialism. Socialists are the greediest people on Earth. They not only want to keep what is theirs, they want to force others to pay for things they want, but they don't want badly enough to pay themselves - so they use the power of the state to steal the money through taxation. |
How do you have a police force for profit? Prisons? Would you want a for profit military? Your ideas don't work. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Let's stick to police. Everyone can pay taxes if they want to. That money will be used for police. If you don't want to pay taxes you don't have to. Cops will selectively not help you when you call 911. You'll have to pay a lot of money for police if you opt not to pay taxes. You have a choice in this kind of world. In the world you live in, you don't have one.
This would work. Whether it satisfies your tastes is another story. |
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