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randall020105

Joined: 08 Apr 2008 Location: the land of morning confusion...
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: I Agree. |
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| As a parent of a school aged child I will say that no one, not the Korean teacher, the foreign teacher or anyone has the right to put their hands on my child. If I choose to spank my child it's my choice. If my wife decides to spank that's her choice. Teachers don't have a choice. You can punish, but not in a physical way period. |
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I smacked the living SHIT out of a teacher who did that to my boy and had a look on my face that says "make the circle bigger"... that's my flesh and bone... don't go there.
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Cannings were seen as a right of passage amongst many of us and frankly ineffective to the majority of students
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Yes, putting food in airtight containers seems a pretty useless form of punishment to me too  |
Fair call.... I could make excuses but as Jethro says "never say you're sorry" |
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Rocktek
Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Rocktek wrote: |
| hsaeoa wrote: |
| As a parent of a school aged child I will say that no one, not the Korean teacher, the foreign teacher or anyone has the right to put their hands on my child. If I choose to spank my child it's my choice. If my wife decides to spank that's her choice. Teachers don't have a choice. You can punish, but not in a physical way period. |
That's all good, since you're a foriegner and all, BUT.......
haven't you noticed?
Korean parents hardly EVER discipline their children. Why?
Becuase in this culture (where you reside), parents EXPECT the teachers to do that job for them.
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Not exactly true. In the past parents did discipline their children, pretty harshly mind you. Also, older siblings very often took the role of disciplinarian, since many families would have in excess of 3, or 4, siblings. But you are correct in that teachers were also expected to discipline students. |
Maybe not entirely true, but for the most part, it is.
After a decade of observing Koreans, and especially when it comes to rearing young children (pre-school), I have witnessed appalling public behavior by Korean children, while parents stood idly by, sometimes even smiling at how "cute" their irreverent, poorly behaved children are.
Why do the do this?
It is because most Korean parents, fully expect their children's discipline management to be done by school teachers, and yes, it is because this is the way it has been "traditionally" handled in the past. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Since the title doesn't specifically refer to CP, I got a humorous tale
This week I was on the computer and a student started talking to me. I was bloated, so let out one of those silent little farts. Didn't think it would have an impact, but the student raised his arm and brushed his nose, and I did the same. We looked at each other, then he walked away quickly  |
Biological Warfare.
Classic.  |
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balzor

Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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I went to a Private school from K-12 and I got paddled countless times in Elementary and Junior high for not doing my homework, cheating (we scored our own work) or other things. When I got paddled at school, I got the same at home. Sometimes they would call my dad at work and he would come to the school, to paddle me himself. It was a school run by our church. I wore uniforms(Dress pants, shirt and tie everyday) and our desks had dividers so we couldn't see or talk to the people next to us. Very strict environment, but it taught me to set my own goals, work at my own pace. Most importantly, I learned to make decisions based on potential consequences and had a strong moral base to make the right decisions. Kids today don't have that strong foundation to stand on when making choices and this is why they consistently make bad ones.
That's my opinion at least |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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I was about to flip out that someone came on here to brag about hooking up with a student. And I was praying that the student was an adult. So I'm at least glad to see it wasn't about that. But still depressed to see some losers on this thread bragging about hitting children.
There is NEVER an excuse to hit a child. If you hit a child you are an idiot and a loser. You have no business being in a classroom. You have no business working with children. It doesn't matter how bad they are or how much they don't listen, you can't hit them. If the kid had ADHD, autism, Asbergers, dyslexia, (all learning DISABILITIES) that is even less of a reason to hit them. They're kids. Get over yourself.
Read a book about how to manage a classroom or watch a video. Don't me a moron.
Stephen is right. And he is also going to be a better teacher than most of the posters on this thread who are trying to critize him. |
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stimpleton
Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Location: Suwon
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:27 am Post subject: |
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I hit my students all the time - little (and I mean the same amount of force you'd use to click a pen) taps on the arm, shoulder etc. I also 'punch' them (same force).
The taps are a reminder about their behavior, the punches follow me asking "do you want a punch?", and the student replying "yes". I actually have kids begging for more punches!
I don't use physical punishment to enforce discipline through pain, though. While I was home at the start of the year, my 'replacement' did. When I got back the kids told me they didn't like him because he hit them "quite hard" with a book. Repeatedly. I've never needed to.
I don't claim to be a perfect teacher. I've lost my temper on occasion and raised my voice (and after some voice training it's amazing how loud I can get), but I don't beat the students. Ever.
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:39 am Post subject: |
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i dont see anything wrong with the title. I dont understand the fuss?
Anyway, maybe thats why we see so much hitting from the girls on the boys in class, maybe they see it so much that its just normal to them? |
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interestedinhanguk

Joined: 23 Aug 2010
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: Re: I Agree. |
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| hsaeoa wrote: |
| As a parent of a school aged child I will say that no one, not the Korean teacher, the foreign teacher or anyone has the right to put their hands on my child. If I choose to spank my child it's my choice. If my wife decides to spank that's her choice. Teachers don't have a choice. You can punish, but not in a physical way period. |
Why do you have that right? Who gives it to you? If you do have that right, but the teacher doesn't, why do you send your kid to school? Why do you force your kid onto a teacher when you won't let that teacher discipline your child in the same way you do at home?
Anyways, I don't think any teacher should ever hit a kid. The only times a teacher should touch a kid is to stop immediate danger (picking up a little kid from climbing on something dangerous, picking up a little kid who is fighting, making a barrier between fighting older kids). Oh, and to give out high-fives and a pat on the back. |
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rockymtn
Joined: 01 Oct 2010 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Korean parents hardly EVER discipline their children. Why?
Seriously!? My little Korean mother was very inventive when it came to CP. Hard wacks to the back of the knees, the inside of my arms, and the good ole' ear twist. Just b/c you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I was bigger than her but she knew how to inflict some serious pain. I always knew she had some training with the secret order of monks  |
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lorenchristopher

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Once I was teaching a class of 6th graders. One of the boys, whom I suspect had ADHD (or at the very least, a serious inability to concentrate on ANYTHING) kept turning around and talking to the person behind him. At first, I tried calling him by name, asking him questions, trying to keep him engaged in the class. Didn't work. Then I warned him at least 3 times to stop turning around. Nothing worked. Finally, exasperated, I walked over to his desk, planning to smack my hand down on the desk. I thought if I made a loud enough noise then perhaps he would understand that I was serious. But I was holding a water bottle and I ended up smacking the water bottle down on the desk, hard. It broke, water went EVERYWHERE, all over the both of us, and after a few deathly quiet seconds, the entire class broke out laughing hysterically. They couldn't stop giggling for the rest of the class.
I smile when I remember that. I learned to lighten up a lot after that incident.
I don't know...I think it's good to have respect, and I think that for the most part, the inexperienced native teachers are mostly doing their best and trying to learn and improve over time, and I think that's all that can realistically be expected. My personality is such that it's hard for me to be a drill sergeant for very long. I don't enjoy it, the kids don't enjoy it...it just doesn't work for me. Maybe I'm just lazy, but I try to encourage participation & motivate them with stickers and candy, and I've been pleased with that method. But I've been lucky to have pretty good kids, for the most part. |
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Kwangjuchicken

Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The furthest I have gone was not with one, but a group of about 15 students. We went to the Pusan International Film Festival. We took a bus. It took about 3 hours to get there. Not sure; however, how far it was. |
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hsaeoa
Joined: 13 Jan 2010 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: I Agree. |
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| interestedinhanguk wrote: |
| hsaeoa wrote: |
| As a parent of a school aged child I will say that no one, not the Korean teacher, the foreign teacher or anyone has the right to put their hands on my child. If I choose to spank my child it's my choice. If my wife decides to spank that's her choice. Teachers don't have a choice. You can punish, but not in a physical way period. |
Why do you have that right? Who gives it to you? If you do have that right, but the teacher doesn't, why do you send your kid to school? Why do you force your kid onto a teacher when you won't let that teacher discipline your child in the same way you do at home?
Anyways, I don't think any teacher should ever hit a kid. The only times a teacher should touch a kid is to stop immediate danger (picking up a little kid from climbing on something dangerous, picking up a little kid who is fighting, making a barrier between fighting older kids). Oh, and to give out high-fives and a pat on the back. |
What gives me that right? How about being my child's parent. If I give my child something, or teach my child something that's my right as a parent to do it. Just cause your his teacher doesn't give you the right to do the same. I send my child to school to learn. Period. If my child needs to be disciplined then I or my wife will do it. As a teacher your job is to inform the parent when something is wrong, not to take it upon yourself to discipline them. |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The furthest I have gone was not with one, but a group of about 15 students. We went to the Pusan International Film Festival. We took a bus. It took about 3 hours to get there. Not sure; however, how far it was. |
The furthest I went with my students is Beijing. We took a plane, then a few buses and then a plane back again. |
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Otus
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I learned very quickly when I started teaching about 14 years ago to avoid cp and hence avoid all the difficult issues that arise with it sometimes.
However, there are some good reasons for using cp and some negative consequences when it cannot be used:
1. Sometimes, making a minor fully responsible for their actions can be much more humiliating and damaging than the exercise of cp.
2. Related to the first point, teachers can also humiliate students in much worse ways in front of peers etc. when cp is not an option. It can become more subtle and not a breach of any regulation. |
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