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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only read this

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I call BS on people who claim to take there licence/wallet every single time they leave the house, NO ONES that anal


But unlucky, because I take both everywhere I go! Sucks to be you.
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illvibetip



Joined: 28 Oct 2010
Location: south korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, it was just parked by the road, next to a garden.

And I challenge anyone who has had expensive property here constantly tampered with not to get annoyed about it and take some action (wether its spontaneous or not)

what are you supposed to do? hit people? shout? ask them nicely not to do it again? Ive had enough of this - so I called the police this time. And my licence was 5 minutes away at home - thats dumb?

what would you have done? its easy to say I would do this and that, but maybe you would have acted differently in my shoes -

Its easy to criticise others in hindsight isnt it?
I admit my mistake in not carrying it - youre just beating a dead horse now really in an attempt to try to make your self look superior. So stop trying to sound clever becasue it comes across as being very patronising and condescending.

and im sorry but is that a joke?
'buy an expensive bike then beat the shit out of it to make it look like crap'
Ill post that on a motorbike forum and see how many people would agree with me - seriously, i laughed out loud when i read that. I spend my time trying to make my bike NOT look like crap. For one reason, I want to sell it again one day...
And I do have somewhere safe to put my bike off the road. But people who dont live in my appartment like to park in my space and move my bike. Small flaw in your logic - even if i do have parking - that means i can only ever park my bike at my own home?
and I shouldnt own an expensive bike - so its my own fault?




anyway...
does anyone have any evidence to say that you must have your 'alien card' and 'licence' on you at all times? and what are the consequences.
It would be a good way to round up this thread if someone could post somthing solid (instead of inviting captain hindsight and his cronies around for tea to belittle other people). I have been told by korean friends that it is possible to produce later once they have phoned in your details and checked against your id card. I still dont know if thats true?


seriously, I genuinely think it would be helpful to see that posted for myself and other readers. There is nothing written on the law that I can find on the internet about carrying an ID card. Licence info would be handy too.
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machoman



Joined: 11 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

illvibetip wrote:

And I do have somewhere safe to put my bike off the road. But people who dont live in my appartment like to park in my space and move my bike. Small flaw in your logic - even if i do have parking - that means i can only ever park my bike at my own home?
and I shouldnt own an expensive bike - so its my own fault?


seriously, I genuinely think it would be helpful to see that posted for myself and other readers. There is nothing written on the law that I can find on the internet about carrying an ID card. Licence info would be handy too.


i HATE HATE HATE when people touch my bike for any reason, even if its to move it for parking. i hate that idea, and i hate that it's normal to do that. i have an alarm on it, but it's malfunctioning, which is a shame, i'd be using it.

as for the ID law, i don't know, i don't carry mine everywhere. i ride without a license and my bike is unregistered. i just hope i don't get pulled over for anything.


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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what are you supposed to do? hit people? shout? ask them nicely not to do it again? Ive had enough of this - so I called the police this time. And my licence was 5 minutes away at home - thats dumb?


Yes.

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what would you have done? its easy to say I would do this and that, but maybe you would have acted differently in my shoes -


Not operate under any of the assumptions you made-

"Oh its okay to not carry your license, back home that's the rule"

"Oh the cops won't care that I don't have my license on me when I call them"

"Oh the cops will be fine with me calling them in to pick up my bike for me"

"Oh the cops will be able to do something about the bike-tipping bandit caper."

"Oh I can just say whatever I want and I should be believed"

Sorry but some of us have actually dealt with cops and paperwork and that kind of thing and understand that when you call something in you better have everything in line and not say, be drunk and carrying a bag on you.

I probably would have just picked my bike up (I wouldn't buy a bike I couldn't lift) and maybe had my girlfriend ask the landlord if they had a surveillance video.

I find it odd that your bike is constantly getting tipped over. Maybe something mechanical is wrong. Maybe since the bike is so heavy for you you aren't resting it right.

What kind of apartment block is this? Comfortable middle class? What are people just going to randomly tip over someone's bike? Usually when that happens it wasn't tipped over in the first place or someone pulled a major nono like taking up a space or blocking someone in or leaving it on their property.

And sometimes its some punk losers who do mayhem. But at an apartment block? These are apartments in Korea, not projects.

Sorry, I know you're looking for sympathy here, but really it's time for some tough love. You're an adult now, and in a different country. You have to have your ducks in order and you have to able to act calmly and professionally.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe you did some things wrong?
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ukon wrote:
Koreans seem to love messing with bikes here.

I've had so much stuff stolen off my bike by now I have a hard time trusting Koreans.

I've had one guy who hated my bike being parked outside a friend's house...so he broke the side mirrors of every bike in the Alley.

Some guy knocked over my bike and ran.

I've heard of other, cheaper bikes being firebombed!


I once saw a motorbike (which must have been stolen) on the bottom of the Nakdong River. Some clowns had thrown it off the Waegwan Bridge.
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

southernman wrote:
Yeah i've had a 8 month old scooter stolen here. That had been moved heaps of times as well as the one I have now.

It is actually the law back in NZ that you have so many days to produce you licence to the Police Station.

I call BS on people who claim to take there licence/wallet every single time they leave the house, NO ONES that anal

Lots of time you leave home and you know your not going to buy anything major, so why take your wallet? Like on a Sunday when you're just going for a paper or some fresh bread, other times you just forget or can't be bothered looking for it.

Maybe its a NZ thing but I'd regularily see people on a Sunday morning, going through change, no wallet in sight, buying small items from the local shop or bakery. One time it was the local Youth Court Judge buying his Sunday bread, he looked as seedy as I felt.. Very Happy

I do.
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Shapur



Joined: 27 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP.

1. People parking their cars in your space.
Get some of those heavy concrete blocks the locals use and drag them into your space every time you leave.
You use a bike so place them in such a way that anyone who wants to use your space has to move your bike AND said heavy concrete blocks to fit their car into the space.
If you are parked for a long time you can even drag the blocks into position to help protect your bike from being accidentally knocked over by a car on the street.
Try it. It works a charm. No one will ever move your bike again because you just made it too much trouble.
2. If people are knocking over/damaging your bike more than once ie it's not an accident, you are going to have to seriously consider retaliating in some way. If someone who damages your bike repeatedly starts to find that their car is always damaged when it is parked in your space, even the densest person is going to reconsider parking there.
Rather more rationally, if it really is 'your parking space' investigate the procedure for calling a tow truck company and getting the car towed. Do it again and again and again until they get the message.
People are pushing your bike around and taking liberties with your parking space because there is no negative consequence for them.
Find a way to give them a negative consequence and they'll think twice.


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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

illvibetip wrote:
Why do you always run out the house with your wallet?

In a foreign country? Absolutely.

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if the police want your licence back home, you have 3 days to produce it. Im not sure what the rules are here but I assumed it would be something to that effect.

Yes, because all laws back home are the exact same in Korea.
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ATM SPIDERTAO



Joined: 05 Jul 2009
Location: seoul, south korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do editing for the local foreigners newsletter here in Ansan station cuz we have a LOT of foreigners in this city cuz of all the factories here

this thread is about a week old so i hope someone reads, but

" Any foreigner staying in Korea shall always hold his/her Passport, Alien Entry Permit, or the Certificate of Alien Registration (foreigners under 17 are excluded). When a public servant in charge of immigration administration or an authorized official (including the people in charge of alien registration in the Gun/Gu/City governments) asks him/her to present his/her passport and the certificate of alien registration for implementing their work (registration-related work), the foreigner must obey them. If he/she doesn't present this to them, he/she will be punished under Article 27 of the Immigration control Act. "

i checked article 27 of the immigration control act and it actually doesn't list what kind of punishments there are

but to drive a motorcycle without insurance is pretty serious. anyway, i dunno if you NEED to have your driver's license on you every time. but you DEFINITELY need your alien card on you at all times. i've never heard of not needing your driver's license on you. you can't drive a car in canada or the usa without your driver's license. unless it was stolen, i think they'd understand.

and driving without a motorcycle's license is only punishable by up to 300,000won in fines but i'm not sure if your school will be too happy with that. it could be within reason that you could be fired. although i got busted for not wearing a helmet, they checked i had a license (i did) and then gave me a 20,000won fine which the school never found out about and i paid via the ATM and it was all fine so you might be okay. but it was a 50cc scooter


it's pretty much like it is anywhere. LEGALLY, you're in the wrong. but cops don't REALLY care... but if you piss them off, they're legally in the right to destroy you if they want to. and with the holier than thou attitudes of so many english teachers who think they should have the same "rights" as other koreans, it's not a situation i'd like to be in.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ATM SPIDERTAO wrote:
i've never heard of not needing your driver's license on you. you can't drive a car in canada or the usa without your driver's license. unless it was stolen, i think they'd understand.

No, they wouldn't. They'll tell you to go to the DMV and get a temporary license while they process your new one. Then they'll fine you for driving without one.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
ATM SPIDERTAO wrote:
i've never heard of not needing your driver's license on you. you can't drive a car in canada or the usa without your driver's license. unless it was stolen, i think they'd understand.

No, they wouldn't. They'll tell you to go to the DMV and get a temporary license while they process your new one. Then they'll fine you for driving without one.

Usually up to the discretion of the officer, but they are under no obligation to give you 24 hours to produce a valid license. This is a myth that people believe to be law, but it's just a case of a cop being nice.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean police exist to uphold the right of korean men to behave however they want in their country. Even if its wrong. Nothing can be allowed to impinge upon the K-man's sense of being master in his own house. This is the mentality.

What is needed for documentation of these cases to build up a dossier of evidence- which can be used to exert international pressure for reform.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Korean police exist to uphold the right of korean men to behave however they want in their country. Even if its wrong. Nothing can be allowed to impinge upon the K-man's sense of being master in his own house. This is the mentality.

What is needed for documentation of these cases to build up a dossier of evidence- which can be used to exert international pressure for reform.


Right because wealthy Korean women are powerless...

Remember classist trumps sexist in this land.

Not that it isn't sexist, but that is an important distinction.

Also...considering how ineffectual and Keystone Kopish we say the K-Police are it seems K-Men have chosen a pretty poor K-Horse to hitch their K-Wagon too.

Look either the Korean polive are a bunch of buffoons who spend their time sleeping, drinking, and saying "sir, excuse me, sir, sir, could you please stop sir" or they are some ruthless enforcement government-chauvinist gang.

But they cannot be both.

And its statements like this that are the reason we object to you bashers. You will completely contradict yourselves in one thread just so you can bash Korea. There is no coherency.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
What is needed for documentation of these cases to build up a dossier of evidence- which can be used to exert international pressure for reform.


Any dossier that used the OP as an example of 'racist Korean cops' would be laughed at.

I have no doubt that there are instances of abuse by Korean cops. I have no doubt that they enjoy the ignorance of foreigners as to their rights. But the OP was in the wrong here... not the only wrong, but wrong enough.
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travel zen



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry boys...

I'd just beat the hell outa the offender and split.

If there is no law, then you are the law. Just don't get caught by...the law.

If someone smacks you because you are a useless foreigner " what are you gonna do brother? Whatcha gonna do?" (Hulkster voice)

I've done this handily in India, China and Mongolia (there was no need in Korea).
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