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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| redaxe wrote: |
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| Kurtz wrote: |
For a so-called rich nation, I think they treat some women here quite badly. Seeing old women sitting out in the freezing cold selling lettuce leaves isn't very nice, and when my school was getting reconstruction done to it, half the laborers were ajumma. I've also seen many ajumma on building sites carrying bags of cement around. Maybe they find it empowering.
Young women seem to rule here though. Milksop Korean men need to step up and show them who's boss; at the moment it sure isn't them. |
Korea is a sexist wife-beating country. LOL those K-Flower boys are such gay wimps always holding purses. |
That's the generation gap. The dads are wife-beaters and their sons are flower boys. |
Funny how that works out. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurtz wrote: |
| For a so-called rich nation, I think they treat some women here quite badly. Seeing old women sitting out in the freezing cold selling lettuce leaves isn't very nice, . |
And seeing old homeless women and men sleep on sewer grates isn't very nice either. |
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eb
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Good Luck. A single white woman in Korea is....ehhhh.  |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't read the whole thread, so I might be repeating someone, but oh well.
As far as I can tell, women are pretty much expected to be submissive, demure and somewhat childlike... and are expected to fulfill the traditional cooking/cleaning/child-raising role in a marriage. Everyone seems to be pretty keen on getting married, for some reason.
You also get princess types who act like spoiled children well into their 20s. Foreign women are expected to be different, and of course it varies, but I have heard that Korean men sometimes expect their foreign girlfriends to be exactly what I described. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, but there are glimmers of change. I teach at a university, and I recently had a discussion point on different aspects of marriage. I was surprised at how many of the females were saying they did not plan on getting married, and how many males were saying that it was good to share housework with their spouse.
Of course, they are a minority, but they are out there. |
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Poltergeist
Joined: 03 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| eb wrote: |
| Good Luck. A single white woman in Korea is....ehhhh. |
^ Don't listen to the trolls. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but there are glimmers of change. |
You know, I'm starting to think that this is just a case of every time a foreigner sees an attitude that reflects what we have back home, he/she sees it as a 'step forward', instead of as a reflection of the variety of attitudes at work in Korea.
I don't know what Korea was like before, but I'm not completely sure that a nation's social progress is always a linear progression from 'them' to 'us'... but yeah, while I have a few students who I'm sure would get along well in the west, I think the majority dream of having a perfect, beautiful, submissive trophy wife who dedicates her life to mothering and supporting him constantly.
To be honest, I'm pretty sure a lot of western guys still want this as well... and some go on demanding it, while others 'adapt'... only a tiny minority actually believe that gender equality is actually a benefit to society. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| . . . Like it's somehow a 'hopeful sign' when girls don't want to get married. I just don't understand people anymore. No sense dwelling on it. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
I don't know what Korea was like before, but I'm not completely sure that a nation's social progress is always a linear progression from 'them' to 'us'... but yeah, while I have a few students who I'm sure would get along well in the west, I think the majority dream of having a perfect, beautiful, submissive trophy wife who dedicates her life to mothering and supporting him constantly.
To be honest, I'm pretty sure a lot of western guys still want this as well... and some go on demanding it, while others 'adapt'... only a tiny minority actually believe that gender equality is actually a benefit to society. |
If by Western guys you mean Western guys living in Korea, then you are entirely correct. If you mean people actually living in the west, I have to disagree. The majority of men in the west expect their wife to work outside of the home, and are fairly accepting of what that involves. (Her not babying him all the time.) |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| . . . Like it's somehow a 'hopeful sign' when girls don't want to get married. I just don't understand people anymore. No sense dwelling on it. |
It's not that they don't want to, it's that they don't feel like they have to lie and say they want to when they don't.
It's like the divorce rate. The divorce rate rising as rapidly as it has in Korea, Taiwan, and a few other Asian countries in the past couple decades is not a sign that more women want to get divorced than before, it's a sign that more women feel that getting divorced is an option. It's basically revealing how many women wanted to get divorced but felt like they couldn't before.
Women's rights is about women having the freedom to choose their lifestyle and means of making a living, which means having other options besides being economically dependent on a husband.
It's not saying that never marrying or getting divorced is GOOD. It's just saying that women should have OPTIONS just like men have. Does that make any sense? |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
If by Western guys you mean Western guys living in Korea, then you are entirely correct. |
Some western guys, Draz, some! |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
I don't know what Korea was like before, but I'm not completely sure that a nation's social progress is always a linear progression from 'them' to 'us'... but yeah, while I have a few students who I'm sure would get along well in the west, I think the majority dream of having a perfect, beautiful, submissive trophy wife who dedicates her life to mothering and supporting him constantly.
To be honest, I'm pretty sure a lot of western guys still want this as well... and some go on demanding it, while others 'adapt'... only a tiny minority actually believe that gender equality is actually a benefit to society. |
If by Western guys you mean Western guys living in Korea, then you are entirely correct. If you mean people actually living in the west, I have to disagree. The majority of men in the west expect their wife to work outside of the home, and are fairly accepting of what that involves. (Her not babying him all the time.) |
They may expect their wife to work, but secretly they desire that submissive wife. I think you'd be surprised at how many western men (all men) desire a wife that will cook for them. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:46 am Post subject: |
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morrisonhotel, you can be part of the "tiny minority". 
| jvalmer wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
I don't know what Korea was like before, but I'm not completely sure that a nation's social progress is always a linear progression from 'them' to 'us'... but yeah, while I have a few students who I'm sure would get along well in the west, I think the majority dream of having a perfect, beautiful, submissive trophy wife who dedicates her life to mothering and supporting him constantly.
To be honest, I'm pretty sure a lot of western guys still want this as well... and some go on demanding it, while others 'adapt'... only a tiny minority actually believe that gender equality is actually a benefit to society. |
If by Western guys you mean Western guys living in Korea, then you are entirely correct. If you mean people actually living in the west, I have to disagree. The majority of men in the west expect their wife to work outside of the home, and are fairly accepting of what that involves. (Her not babying him all the time.) |
They may expect their wife to work, but secretly they desire that submissive wife. I think you'd be surprised at how many western men (all men) desire a wife that will cook for them. |
I think you'd be surprised at how many western women (all women) want a husband that will cook for them.  |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| morrisonhotel, you can be part of the "tiny minority". |
Thank you. Do I win something for that? |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: |
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They may expect their wife to work, but secretly they desire that submissive wife. I think you'd be surprised at how many western men (all men) desire a wife that will cook for them. |
Well the problematic result of women's rights in America has been that women are now expected to raise the kids, tend the home, AND have a full-time career. American men and women are spending an almost equal amount of time working outside the home, but women are still doing much more work inside the home. It's pretty unfair. |
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