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sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:03 am Post subject:

Remember, too, that Time Magazine is a widely-read magazine. There's no ignoring the situation, now.

NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Time Magazine on South Korea's English Teachers HIV/AIDS

stevieg4ever wrote:

In fact how can anyone speak for most people.

I speak for most people when I say that clean drinking water is the business.

Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:20 am Post subject:

sojusucks wrote:

Remember, too, that Time Magazine is a widely-read magazine. There's no ignoring the situation, now.

I don't know...
They ignored the genocide in Rwanda and Darfur. Widespread honor killings and abuses of women in Palestine/Gaza. Political killings in Zimbabwe. Human rights abuses in eritrea, saudi arabia, north korea and yemen.

So I somehow doubt the world community is going to be up in arms at HIV tests in Korea.

NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:20 am Post subject:

jvalmer wrote:

geldedgoat wrote:

E-2s are those who have not proven their Korean ethnicity.

E-2's are for foreign language instructors, nothing to do with ethnicity. If you happen to be an ethnic Korean and meet the requirements to get an E-2, then you'll get an E-2. If you're not an ethnic Korean and meet the requirements to get an E-2, you'll get an E-2. Again, ethnicity has nothing to do with getting an E-2.

geldedgoat wrote:

F-4s are those who have. F-2s are those who have proven they're 'Korean enough' by marrying an ethnic Korean. Clearly ethnicity has a lot to do with it.

I wasn't arguing about these class of visas, you are right some of the F-class visas are based on ethnicity, but it has nothing to do with the the E-2 visa.

You claimed the E-2 is based on ethnicity, it simply isn't.

Very few ethnic Koreans would want an E2. E2 isn't based on ethnicity, but why would an ethnic Korean want a lesser visa when one that IS based on ethnicity (and is much better) is easily attainable?

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject:

Junior wrote:

sojusucks wrote:

Remember, too, that Time Magazine is a widely-read magazine. There's no ignoring the situation, now.

Indeed. The egocentricity here is astounding. NO ONE CARES (other than yourself and your family). Heck even teachers here don't care. Times are tough all over. People will worry about themselves first and their friends second. Some unrelated teacher having to take HIV tests on the other side of the world is not even on the radar.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

geldedgoat wrote:

E-2s are those who have not proven their Korean ethnicity.

geldedgoat wrote:

F-4s are those who have. F-2s are those who have proven they're 'Korean enough' by marrying an ethnic Korean. Clearly ethnicity has a lot to do with it.

Very few ethnic Koreans would want an E2. E2 isn't based on ethnicity, but why would an ethnic Korean want a lesser visa when one that IS based on ethnicity (and is much better) is easily attainable?

It's not that easily attainable, particularly for adoptees. Think the E-2 visa process is difficult? Double it and add in a language barrier on top with no recruiter there to take you step by step.

It was a minor miracle I got mine, thankfully my parents are very meticulous record keepers and I had a bunch of paperwork left over from an adoptee records check I did. Many ethnic Koreans facing that extra set of paperwork just go "well I'm only here for a year, I'll just do the E-2 and get this over with".

EDIT- It would also have been nice if the author had bothered to interview any ethnic Korean English Teachers to see if in fact they had ever been tested for HIV/AIDs before she wrote the statement "though ethnic Koreans are exempted, regardless of where they are born or raised. "

That was terrible journalism, worthy of the Korea Times, and once again typical of American reporting of issues in other countries.

Last edited by Steelrails on Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:03 am; edited 1 time in total

Mosley

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject:

Gee, NSTs(esp. E2s) aren't treated as badly as Darfur refugees(an apples and ... er... automatic transmissions comparison if there ever was one)so said NSTs in South Korea should shut up & bend over? How DO apologists sleep at night?

NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

geldedgoat wrote:

E-2s are those who have not proven their Korean ethnicity.

geldedgoat wrote:

F-4s are those who have. F-2s are those who have proven they're 'Korean enough' by marrying an ethnic Korean. Clearly ethnicity has a lot to do with it.

Very few ethnic Koreans would want an E2. E2 isn't based on ethnicity, but why would an ethnic Korean want a lesser visa when one that IS based on ethnicity (and is much better) is easily attainable?

So, they'd have to do a records check. Is that so difficult? You still get a much better visa. Even if it's costly, most people would prefer that to the E2, if the option were viable.

As for keeping paperwork from an adoption, that's on par with keeping one's original birth certificate. I don't see this as extraordinary. We have my little brother's documents locked up with ours. <<shrugs>>

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

geldedgoat wrote:

E-2s are those who have not proven their Korean ethnicity.

geldedgoat wrote:

F-4s are those who have. F-2s are those who have proven they're 'Korean enough' by marrying an ethnic Korean. Clearly ethnicity has a lot to do with it.

Very few ethnic Koreans would want an E2. E2 isn't based on ethnicity, but why would an ethnic Korean want a lesser visa when one that IS based on ethnicity (and is much better) is easily attainable?

Don't forget the possibility of military service if a male is unsure of his status in Korea.

geldedgoat

Joined: 05 Mar 2009

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

E2 isn't based on ethnicity [...]

Well, no, as explained on the previous page.

NYC_Gal 2.0

Joined: 10 Dec 2010

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject:

geldedgoat wrote:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

E2 isn't based on ethnicity [...]

Well, no, as explained on the previous page.

My response was to jvalmer. With you, there was no issue.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:12 am Post subject:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

geldedgoat wrote:

E-2s are those who have not proven their Korean ethnicity.

geldedgoat wrote:

F-4s are those who have. F-2s are those who have proven they're 'Korean enough' by marrying an ethnic Korean. Clearly ethnicity has a lot to do with it.

Very few ethnic Koreans would want an E2. E2 isn't based on ethnicity, but why would an ethnic Korean want a lesser visa when one that IS based on ethnicity (and is much better) is easily attainable?

Many Korean adoptees are missing their family registry papers. Given the spotty nature of records of the Korean baby export boom era and the desire of adoptive parents to create a new life for their child, these things tend to not be kept track of too closely. I showed up with the documents required for an F-4 and it still took an extra week because they had to contact my adoption agency and check with Korea whether or not my documents were genuine. I could have gotten that E-2 right then and there and been on the plane a week earlier.

Anecdotally, of the ethnic-Korean teachers I have met here, half of been on F-4s, half have been on E-2s. And since all of them have either taught at public schools or been part of the TaLK program, they all had to do drug tests and HIV tests, not that I agree with how things are done, just that plenty of Koreans are here on E-2s.

sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:24 am Post subject:

Mosley wrote:

Gee, NSTs(esp. E2s) aren't treated as badly as Darfur refugees(an apples and ... er... automatic transmissions comparison if there ever was one)so said NSTs in South Korea should shut up & bend over?

How DO apologists sleep at night?

Alone, evidently. Laughing

If you don't think people around the world read Time Magazine then what do you think they read?

geldedgoat

Joined: 05 Mar 2009

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:28 am Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

[...] plenty of Koreans are here on E-2s.

Only if they haven't (whether it be a matter of willingness or not) proven so. There's absolutely no doubt that if Kimmi had a magic wand that auto-detected ethnicity, there would be absolutely zero Koreans with an E-2.

northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:39 am Post subject:

Mosley wrote:

Oh please. All Junior said was that expecting Korea to suddenly perk up and change things due to a Time Magazine article is wishful thinking at best.

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