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jrwhite82
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| Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I'm sure those 2 weeks are meant so you can get a chance to go home to visit family before you start a whole new year abroad again. So the time is meant to be used to leave the country. Don't look back. |
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rookieglobetrotter
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: |
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thanks guys its encouraging. I might muster up the fortitude to do it. So do you guys think "I shouldn't mention anything and when asked (I will be) I'll just say I'm traveling in Korea (while traveling abroad and coming back a little early)" or "tell them I'm traveling to _____ no matter what you guys think". I've talked to some other NETs here and they say that we're required to say if and where we are traveling abroad (liability reasons?), but then I've also heard people just go and travel when they have days off and no harm no foul.
The vibe at this school used to be so friendly. This week feels a little awkward, that's why I am hesitant for option 2. I would hate to have a great year go to bleh especially since I think they will be a good reference if we end up on good terms as I've worked so hard for this year. I can tell a lot of the other teachers are not as happy that I get two week extra vacation, bonus, and I have the choice to change schools at the end of each year. I feel for them that they have to work longer, harder, and they don't have much of a choice when they move or stay at a school.
I do want to get out of Korea just for a few weeks though. 90% of my last month and a half here have been spent at work and cooped up in my small apt while I was recovering. A little more sunshine would be good for the soul. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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On topic -
OP, can't you just use your vacation days?
Also, if your contract is up and you are for sure not re-signing, then whats the big deal? They'd have to be stupid to know you aren't looking for a new job.
So, if you're definitely leaving this job, then be honest and strong. You NEED those days, you're going to take those days. If it's a PS contract, there's something in there about unpaid leave, so even if you've used all your vacation days, you could still take the time.
If you're not sure about your future, then be a bit more vague about why you want the time off.
I wouldn't lie though. That has a way of coming back to bite you. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| willteachforfood wrote: |
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| Except I made no such claim. I merely asked you to prove yours. |
Anyhow...I am done with this particular debate...Korean managers are more weasely across the board than Western managers, end of debate. You're wrong. I'm right. |
Actually it is the other way around. Either find a quote from me where I stated that Western managers were more weasely than Korean managers or admit that you were wrong about that. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| As I said, everyone should be treated fairly, but it's ridiculous to say that this happens more back home. Maybe from corporations, but not direct superiors. |
There are far more fruit pickers and meat packers back home than there are E-2 teachers in Korea. Are you trying to tell us that they get treated more fairly?
In the link I posted above about 3/4ths of foreign workers in Alberta (one Canadian province) were treated unfairly. I haven't heard anything like that proportion here.
When you are a citizen of a country you are much more likely to be treated better than some foreign contract worker. Sure it's unfair but that's just the way it is. Simply because it didn't happen to you back home you assume that it doesn't happen or doesn't happen back home as much?
As the links I posted show...that is simply not the case. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| As I said, everyone should be treated fairly, but it's ridiculous to say that this happens more back home. Maybe from corporations, but not direct superiors. |
There are far more fruit pickers and meat packers back home than there are E-2 teachers in Korea. Are you trying to tell us that they get treated more fairly?
In the link I posted above about 3/4ths of foreign workers in Alberta (one Canadian province) were treated unfairly. I haven't heard anything like that proportion here.
When you are a citizen of a country you are much more likely to be treated better than some foreign contract worker. Sure it's unfair but that's just the way it is. Simply because it didn't happen to you back home you assume that it doesn't happen or doesn't happen back home as much?
As the links I posted show...that is simply not the case. |
I think she is saying that EDUCATED foreign workers do not get cheated more in the US than foreign teachers get cheated in Korea.
That remains to be proved of course.
As for migrant manual laborer, I think the better comparison would be between 3D workers in Korea and those laborers you mentionned in the US. On that comparison basis, its a wash as both groups get cheated and abused. The main difference would be that one group gets cheated in a newly industrialzed country that a short 30-35 years ago was quite poor while the other group gets cheated in the wealthiest nation on Earth.... |
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shifty
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| its a wash as both groups get cheated and abused. The main difference would be that one group gets cheated in a newly industrialzed country that a short 30-35 years ago was quite poor while the other group gets cheated in the wealthiest nation on Earth.... |
Must be another wash since Korea can boast of a 1000 year civilization whereas the USA has nothing to speak of.....quite coarse folks really. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| its a wash as both groups get cheated and abused. The main difference would be that one group gets cheated in a newly industrialzed country that a short 30-35 years ago was quite poor while the other group gets cheated in the wealthiest nation on Earth.... |
Must be another wash since Korea can boast of a 1000 year civilization whereas the USA has nothing to speak of.....quite coarse folks really. |
Sure, keep telling yourself that.... 
Korea was dirt poor a short 35 years ago. They have gone through a remarkable economic transformation in that short span of time.
The US has been the richest nation on Earth for a long, long time in comparison.
This does not make one country worse than the other by the way, it just makes the discussion on abuse of migrant laborer a bit more interesting from a sociological and economical standpoint. |
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shifty
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Korea was dirt poor a short 35 years ago. They have gone through a remarkable economic transformation in that short span of time.
This does not make one country worse than the other by the way. |
My personal feeling is that their old culture is strictly at odds with the nouveau riche frankenstein that is today.
Korea has always been xenophobic, impacting on their relations with foreign workers. Whereas the US is driven by supply and demand, Korea's wounded psyche and dysfunctional nationalism makes for a completely different dynamic. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| As I said, everyone should be treated fairly, but it's ridiculous to say that this happens more back home. Maybe from corporations, but not direct superiors. |
There are far more fruit pickers and meat packers back home than there are E-2 teachers in Korea. Are you trying to tell us that they get treated more fairly?
In the link I posted above about 3/4ths of foreign workers in Alberta (one Canadian province) were treated unfairly. I haven't heard anything like that proportion here.
When you are a citizen of a country you are much more likely to be treated better than some foreign contract worker. Sure it's unfair but that's just the way it is. Simply because it didn't happen to you back home you assume that it doesn't happen or doesn't happen back home as much?
As the links I posted show...that is simply not the case. |
I think she is saying that EDUCATED foreign workers do not get cheated more in the US than foreign teachers get cheated in Korea.
That remains to be proved of course.
As for migrant manual laborer, I think the better comparison would be between 3D workers in Korea and those laborers you mentionned in the US. On that comparison basis, its a wash as both groups get cheated and abused. The main difference would be that one group gets cheated in a newly industrialzed country that a short 30-35 years ago was quite poor while the other group gets cheated in the wealthiest nation on Earth.... |
Well this whole debate started because someone made the claim that there was a higher percentage of Korean weasel bosses as opposed to "at home". Nothing was said about educated employees...that wasn't part of the original debate. What I was pointing out that since for most Western countries ("home") that there are a lot more foreign employees there, that such a claim is highly unlikely to be true. Sheer numbers would mitigate against it. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Korea was dirt poor a short 35 years ago. They have gone through a remarkable economic transformation in that short span of time.
This does not make one country worse than the other by the way. |
My personal feeling is that their old culture is strictly at odds with the nouveau riche frankenstein that is today.
Korea has always been xenophobic, impacting on their relations with foreign workers. Whereas the US is driven by supply and demand, Korea's wounded psyche and dysfunctional nationalism makes for a completely different dynamic. |
Interesting.
I would say that both countries are driven by supply and demand when it comes to exploiting migrant laborers. Nationalism has very little to do with it, greed and economics are more likely culprits. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| You implied that you believed the opposite of my claim to be true....if you believe my claim to be un-true, then by default you believe the opposite to be true. |
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Anyhow...I am done with this particular debate...Korean managers are more weasely across the board than Western managers, end of debate. You're wrong. I'm right. |
So many logical fallacies I don't know where to start. |
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Lastrova
Joined: 30 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Korea was dirt poor a short 35 years ago. They have gone through a remarkable economic transformation in that short span of time.
This does not make one country worse than the other by the way. |
My personal feeling is that their old culture is strictly at odds with the nouveau riche frankenstein that is today.
Korea has always been xenophobic, impacting on their relations with foreign workers. Whereas the US is driven by supply and demand, Korea's wounded psyche and dysfunctional nationalism makes for a completely different dynamic. |
This is a reasonable conclusion. A country that grows into its wealth gradually, develops customs and laws in tandem. It's culture keeps pace. Korea became rich very quickly. To expect its culture to instantaneously modernize by virtue of its wealth is akin to expecting a farmer to suddenly become refined, graceful, discerning, and tolerant. That said, Korea's learning fast--but it's definitely playing catchup. The advantage, of course, is that internationally, there are many precedents and points of reference which makes learning exponentially faster. It all depends if they want to learn and what they think is important. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| rookieglobetrotter wrote: |
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Go & enjoy your week away, thats totally reasonable. Offer to be available by email. Your old & new schools can work around it. Be prepared to move suddenly on your return.
[I dont know about GEPIK but most provinces still consider in-province transfers as continuous employment.] |
Thanks guys. I am with EPIK in Chungbuk. I am sure I get two weeks off because my VP signed off on it today. The thing that I am a little bit worried about is when I mentioned travel abroad, CT mentioned I should just visit cities (in Korea) and also I am not sure but another nearby NET said she thinks we're supposed to get permission or something to travel abroad. I think the main worry about the school is like liability. During summer/winter I had to do a lot of seat warming till 5pm because they were worried that I was going to get hurt or something and they are liable I guess between 9-5 weekdays. So perhaps they don't mind us traveling the winter/summer vaca, but other off days they don't? I already used my winter vaca on health examinations/operations and that's why I need a vacation lol! |
The 2 weeks that you get are for home leave. Tell them you're visiting your family at home. They can't tell you that you have to stay in country. Go wherever you want, but tell them that you're going home. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| As I said, everyone should be treated fairly, but it's ridiculous to say that this happens more back home. Maybe from corporations, but not direct superiors. |
There are far more fruit pickers and meat packers back home than there are E-2 teachers in Korea. Are you trying to tell us that they get treated more fairly?
In the link I posted above about 3/4ths of foreign workers in Alberta (one Canadian province) were treated unfairly. I haven't heard anything like that proportion here.
When you are a citizen of a country you are much more likely to be treated better than some foreign contract worker. Sure it's unfair but that's just the way it is. Simply because it didn't happen to you back home you assume that it doesn't happen or doesn't happen back home as much?
As the links I posted show...that is simply not the case. |
I'm not trying to tell you that they get treated more fairly. I said they SHOULD. Read my whole post next time. |
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