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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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But siriusly, if WWII was a conspiracy, just like the Civil War before it (which, I kid you not, is Professor Q's "infallible" position), you're not arguing with a rocket scientist, especially not of the V-2 type.
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Yet again NM feels the need to randomly pop by to shower the thread with some blustering stupidity. Just wish he'd offer an actual rebuttal from time to time... |
Blustering stupidity? I'm only paraphrasing you.
Nevertheless, another poster is done with you... EFLTrainer/Keane.
Loving the crisis as a scam angle, though.
Uncle Ronnie blew a truck bomb of cash on like 3 gazillion nukes.
The only subsequent President to try to deal with debt was Clinton.
The idea that debt is a conspiracy and not a genuine concern should be pushed to the desk of Abe Scrap, where it will be devoured with glee.
Agreement is boring. Gotta love this forum. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq it's hard to take you seriously. Given your loony tunes "$99 trillion" debt belief (which is absolutely absurd... and when did the Dallas Fed become the authority on debt? haha) and your avatar, it's obvious your just another America hater. |
Oh I see, so you weren't interested in having a debate after all. You just wanted to spout a bunch of nonsense and try to sound clever without backing up a single statement.
The Dallas Federal Reserve bank is a branch of the Federal Reserve (1 of 12 in the country, and one of the most important ones after the New York Fed). And in case you didn't know the Federal Reserve is the institution that issues the US currency (aka the Federal Reserve note, aka the US dollar). If they actually admit something (a rare occurrence), then it's worth taking seriously (much more than some crackpot on the internet who believes "debt is really nothing to worry about", even as banks suck the country dry and the economy spirals into oblivion right before our eyes).
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| But I do hope you keep this profile up for a while. Because in 2 or 3 years when everything is back to normal, I'm going to deliver a big fat "I told you so." |
Talk sure is cheap. For all we know in 2 or 3 years you'll have pawned off your computer and be camped out next to a soup kitchen (or maybe shipped off somewhere to fight in WWIII). But regardless, I certainly won't be chiming in to say "I told you so". |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| For instance. China has the 5th largest gold reserves and possibly higher now (as the data is a few years old and they've been buying African gold at a high rate of volume). You stated it was 'tiny' and when shown its not (5th can't be considered tiny by anyone's definition) you then said it was when its compared to the west as a whole. |
Um, I still maintain that it is tiny compared to the West... As stated, it is less than a tenth of what the US gov't has, not to mention Europe and all the Western banks that hold massive amounts of gold (I believe I read awhile ago that the West overall holds over 80% of all the world's total gold, I'll see if I can get a link up later to support that). Anyway, China's gold reserves really are small in comparison (though obviously fairly huge in and of themselves; but it's all relative).
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| If this cabal had that much power, China wouldn't have become the 2nd largest economy. They wouldn't have allowed it. |
Yeah they would have. It was the West that opened up China and turned it into the captive market it is today. It's a perfect deal for the globalists. We basically send in all our corporations to build factories and employ cheap labor, ship it off to the West, and send boatloads of green paper in return.
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| I've given lnks that support that China is moving away from dollars and its now part of their economic policy to ween themselves off the dollar but you don't acknowledge that trend and continue to state that their dollar based economy will crash but if they continue to move away from the dollar there is no dollar based economy to crash. |
Of course I acknowledged that they're trying to move away from the dollar...
Nevertheless, the fact of the matter is that they hold over $2 trillion (and counting). They quite simply can't get rid of that money (if they tried it would devalue as they were spending it). They certainly can't convert it gold.
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| You state how this globalist agenda will force China into things but the facts from recent history shows that its China that has been forcing the west's hands. They threaten when they want sometning. They got the Olympics when there were some that said until they improved their internal human rights situation (prison slave labor, etc.) they shouldn't get it. They threatened nations to boycott the Nobel Peace prize and many nations stayed away. Its the U.S. and the west that had to recognize them instead of Taiwan as the true China. They got their way that Taiwan is theirs and not an independent nation. |
This is all pretty trivial though... Compared to the US going in and bombing Pakistan at will (which menaces China) and having our insanely powerful military stationed all over the Pacific (protecting Taiwan from invasion), China getting the Olympics (a mere spectacle at the end of the day) and getting to call themselves the "real China" is not very important... At least not in my opinion.
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| I've supported my views with links and facts not suppositions or opinion based on my beliefs. |
Yes, and the facts show China's economy is quite meager compared to the West. I understand that your opinion is that the West is not a united front (I guess you're entitled to think that), but I don't really understand how you can deny it when all our economies are so obviously deeply intertwined (ie. all the major banks and corporations).
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I do appreciate the discussion and the fact you've kept it civil (with me at least...lol). Thanks for that.
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No worries. Always nice to discuss matters with anyone who isn't a troll (like a few other posters on here). At the end of the day if the debate peters out we can agree to disagree. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| The only subsequent President to try to deal with debt was Clinton. |
Patent nonsense. You couldn't back that statement up if you tried (and we already know you probably won't try). |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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What China is trying to do and has been trying to in regards to Taiwan is make the United States aware of the fact that despite US superiority in weaponry, China has "asymmetric interest" in fighting for Taiwan. Taiwan is one of three "core national interests" for China and they want to make it known that they will fight for it, and sacrifice more for it, than the US.
Statements like this are more likely for the benefit of hard liners in the PLA, CPC officials who control PLA funding, and Taiwanese opposition/nativist parties. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: |
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What China is trying to do and has been trying to in regards to Taiwan is make the United States aware of the fact that despite US superiority in weaponry, China has "asymmetric interest" in fighting for Taiwan. Taiwan is one of three "core national interests" for China and they want to make it known that they will fight for it, and sacrifice more for it, than the US.
Statements like this are more likely for the benefit of hard liners in the PLA, CPC officials who control PLA funding, and Taiwanese opposition/nativist parties. |
Right.
Also note that Taiwan is a just cause in a way that other core national interests may not be.
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| China's three core interests in order of importance: first was the survival of China's "fundamental system" and national security; second, the safeguarding of China's sovereignty and territorial integrity; and third, continued stable economic growth and social development. |
Communism with Chinese Characteristics (CCC) is nothing more than Mao's peasant revolution turned dictatorship (One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship - Orwell). China's ancient Imperial system lagged behind comparable Western social institutions, but was nevertheless a step ahead of CCC. Indeed, Mao promised a vision of a free anti-imperialist China, but freedom meant only liberation from the Manchu, the Western Treaty Powers, or the Japanese. But the old Manchu imperialist ventures would be maintained; the Chinese state still occupies its historic vestiges in the west, particularly Tibet and Uigher-occupied Xinjiang. And obviously, not even the dominant Han are free under the CCC. Thus, China's "fundamental system" is a lie, and even its sovereignty, as understood in frank anti-imperialist terms, is corrupt.
But one could hardly dispute China's claim to Taiwan, were the former free and the latter not.
As for bringing China out of poverty, yes, that is the goal. But do we have to tolerate the CCC and its imperialist designs, as well? |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| But do we have to tolerate the CCC and its imperialist designs, as well? |
Why not? Some Korean politicians would want a stronger China. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| But do we have to tolerate the CCC and its imperialist designs, as well? |
Why not? Some Korean politicians would want a stronger China. |
A more economically integrated China and S. Korea is the best deterrent to North Korean aggression. S.K. and China are fast approaching a point, and may have already reached it, where S.K. is much more vital to China's interests than N.K. Heavy Chinese presence in Seoul takes KJI's "Rain of Fire" card off the table. |
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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Taken from the Art of War........
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| A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective. |
..and this one as well.......
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| Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Taken from the Art of War........
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| A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective. |
..and this one as well.......
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| Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. |
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Plus China also says:
don't forget how China fought with the US during the Korean war and the Vietnamese war, technology is not everything. |
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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Plus China also says:
don't forget how China fought with the US during the Korean war and the Vietnamese war, technology is not everything. |
Perhaps...but fighting a war with one hand tied behind your back does not exactly complete the mission. However, it is interesting to note that the U.S. really did not loose any battles in the Vietnam War. AND..considering the masses of soldiers the Chinese sent in the Korean War, for them to be held at a stale mate is somewhat of a military setback.
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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Plus China also says:
don't forget how China fought with the US during the Korean war and the Vietnamese war, technology is not everything. |
Perhaps...but fighting a war with one hand tied behind your back does not exactly complete the mission. However, it is interesting to note that the U.S. really did not loose any battles in the Vietnam War. AND..considering the masses of soldiers the Chinese sent in the Korean War, for them to be held at a stale mate is somewhat of a military setback.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Taken from the Art of War........
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| A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective. |
..and this one as well.......
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| Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. |
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Plus China also says:
don't forget how China fought with the US during the Korean war and the Vietnamese war, technology is not everything. |
I'm eager to hear how China "fought" the US during the Vietnam War. |
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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| The same way the U.S. fought the Russians in Afganistahn in the 1980's |
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Adam Carolla
Joined: 26 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Taken from the Art of War........
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| A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective. |
..and this one as well.......
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| Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. |
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Plus China also says:
don't forget how China fought with the US during the Korean war and the Vietnamese war, technology is not everything. |
I'm eager to hear how China "fought" the US during the Vietnam War. |
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