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Menino80
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| The idea is not that one method is inherently better or worse, it's that Sinic culture is less creative and the West is more, cheating and plagiarism being symptoms #1 and #2. |
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sadguy
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Examples of a lack of creativity? |
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Your post is completely obtuse. There is an art to living and that art requires creativity.
Creativity is not a very rare thing. Creativity is rare in Korea because it is actively discouraged by the culture. |
atwood's Art to Living. Yeah, I'm sure I'll bother to read that one.
I'm pretty sure the "art" to living is dependent on doing the right thing and being nice to people, not creativity. One key thing in the art of living- It isn't just about you.
Creativity is not common anywhere. Even back home most people don't strive to be creative. Many people want to just put in a day's work doing a task and then go and do what they please.
Judging a person's life and quality of it based on how creative they are is flat out retarded and, well, narrow-minded. If one really cared about creativity and open-mindedness they wouldn't allow the good life to be solely defined by creativity.
Dave's Church of the Creativity. |
one could argue that it's in our nature to be creative. kids are inherently imaginative and creative, it's not until their teachers, parents, friends and society beat that creativity out of them that they lose it.
i'm not a christian by any means, but if we were designed by god, the almighty creator in his likeness, then we too have that need to create things. i think being innovative and inventive is part of what helped the human species succeed and carry on.
and i think in order to be a well rounded healthy happy person, you need to have some sort of outlet for creative expression in your life whether it be magic tricks, photography, playing music, knitting, brazillian jiu jitsu, juggling, writing, even POSTING on dave's esl. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
| The idea is not that one method is inherently better or worse, it's that Sinic culture is less creative and the West is more, cheating and plagiarism being symptoms #1 and #2. |
For the last 500 or so years, yes. For the previous 1500, no.
Cheating and plagiarism happen everywhere. To a greater extent here? Likely so. But because it happens more here does not mean it is rare back home.
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| and i think in order to be a well rounded healthy happy person, you need to have some sort of outlet for creative expression in your life whether it be magic tricks, photography, playing music, knitting, brazillian jiu jitsu, juggling, writing, even POSTING on dave's esl. |
Not everyone needs creativity to be happy. Just because you or I need it does not mean that everyone else needs it. Different strokes for different folks.
I'd submit that there are probably at least 20 things that are more important to one's "quality of life" than creativity. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| The idea is not that one method is inherently better or worse, it's that Sinic culture is less creative and the West is more, cheating and plagiarism being symptoms #1 and #2. |
I wouldn't term it so much Sinic as Korean. Without China back in the day of Marco Polo the west wouldn't be squash. Or at the least have had to learn a lot from somewhere else. |
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Triban
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon Station
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Back then the West was too busy conquering everything to care about inventing, although they still had time for the theatre and debate! |
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smartwentcrazy
Joined: 26 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans copy, copy, copy and then copy some more. Creativity is not nurtured here. You are supposed to look the same, act the same and think the same. Rebels don't exist here. |
Hey there! Not surprising to see the resident retard trolling another controversial topic yet again! How've you managed to hold up, mouthbreather? Remember to breathe out of your nose once in awhile, kiddo!
I love these threads. It validates all my prior assumptions about ESL teachers after attending orientation: losers, introverts, and complete false sense of superiority stemming from an obvious inferiority complex. Pathetic.
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Examples of a lack of creativity? |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
Your post is completely obtuse. There is an art to living and that art requires creativity.
Creativity is not a very rare thing. Creativity is rare in Korea because it is actively discouraged by the culture. |
atwood's Art to Living. Yeah, I'm sure I'll bother to read that one.
I'm pretty sure the "art" to living is dependent on doing the right thing and being nice to people, not creativity. One key thing in the art of living- It isn't just about you.
Creativity is not common anywhere. Even back home most people don't strive to be creative. Many people want to just put in a day's work doing a task and then go and do what they please.
Judging a person's life and quality of it based on how creative they are is flat out retarded and, well, narrow-minded. If one really cared about creativity and open-mindedness they wouldn't allow the good life to be solely defined by creativity.
Dave's Church of the Creativity. |
"Holy cow, Batman! Off the rails is back with more balderdash!"
"No surprise there, Boy Wonder! His view of life is to bring eveything down to his level of medicority as a way to rationalize his, well calling it life might not be wholly accurate."
"No kidding. Did you see the playoff game last night? Man, I can't believe some of the moves those guys make."
"Art in motion, Robin But don't forget the years of practice it took them to get to that level."
"I guess that's true of all craftsman. They master their skills and then refine them, creating ways to best use their abilities."
"Sure. I didn't just pick this bat suit off the rack at Saks."
"But some things are simple, right? Like right and wrong and what's good?"
"There's no one size fits all in life. Everyone has to find out these things for themselves, especially how and when to apply their values."
"Perry's ghost, Batman! When did you get so philosphical?"
"I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and ran into the Dalai Lama at the free breakfast."
"That figures." |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The idea is not that one method is inherently better or worse, it's that Sinic culture is less creative and the West is more, cheating and plagiarism being symptoms #1 and #2. |
I wouldn't term it so much Sinic as Korean. Without China back in the day of Marco Polo the west wouldn't be squash. Or at the least have had to learn a lot from somewhere else. |
I would absolutely term it Sinic. It did great in feudal times, not so great until replicable high value added products became widespread and transportation and communication costs dropped |
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shifter2009
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Threads like this are like the Horn of Gondor (<-----awesome geek reference) for the apologists. Cap, Crossmr and Steelrails have already stormed the battlefield, just missing a few others. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The idea is not that one method is inherently better or worse, it's that Sinic culture is less creative and the West is more, cheating and plagiarism being symptoms #1 and #2. |
I wouldn't term it so much Sinic as Korean. Without China back in the day of Marco Polo the west wouldn't be squash. Or at the least have had to learn a lot from somewhere else. |
I would absolutely term it Sinic. It did great in feudal times, not so great until replicable high value added products became widespread and transportation and communication costs dropped |
Whether something sells or not isn't necessarily a barometer of how creative it is. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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So those advocating for creativity and openmindedness would prefer an echo chamber of how Koreans Lack Creativity?
"Koreans are closedminded and just want people to agree with them."
"Why do these apologists show up and disagree with me? Can't they just go along with what I have to say."
I'd go more with "Jingling Latinum to a Ferengi" for my geek reference.
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"Holy cow, Batman! Off the rails is back with more balderdash!"
"No surprise there, Boy Wonder! His view of life is to bring eveything down to his level of medicority as a way to rationalize his, well calling it life might not be wholly accurate."
"No kidding. Did you see the playoff game last night? Man, I can't believe some of the moves those guys make."
"Art in motion, Robin But don't forget the years of practice it took them to get to that level."
"I guess that's true of all craftsman. They master their skills and then refine them, creating ways to best use their abilities."
"Sure. I didn't just pick this bat suit off the rack at Saks."
"But some things are simple, right? Like right and wrong and what's good?"
"There's no one size fits all in life. Everyone has to find out these things for themselves, especially how and when to apply their values."
"Perry's ghost, Batman! When did you get so philosphical?"
"I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and ran into the Dalai Lama at the free breakfast."
"That figures." |
So are you still going to assert that creativity is THE essential quality for good living?
I'll go with love, responsibility, and treatment towards your fellow man.
If you have life all figured out atwood, why are you so angry and snarky?
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| I would absolutely term it Sinic. It did great in feudal times, not so great until replicable high value added products became widespread and transportation and communication costs dropped |
Menino makes a good point, something to consider here- Was Sinic culture good for promoting invention and whatnot in a feudal/pre-industrial society but bad for promoting creativity in a modern one? In a globalized, highly connected society is creativity essential to making a profit? Is the Sinic model good or bad in such a situation? I can see yes and no both being true...
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| legrande wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
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| The idea is not that one method is inherently better or worse, it's that Sinic culture is less creative and the West is more, cheating and plagiarism being symptoms #1 and #2. |
I wouldn't term it so much Sinic as Korean. Without China back in the day of Marco Polo the west wouldn't be squash. Or at the least have had to learn a lot from somewhere else. |
I would absolutely term it Sinic. It did great in feudal times, not so great until replicable high value added products became widespread and transportation and communication costs dropped |
Whether something sells or not isn't necessarily a barometer of how creative it is. |
Whether something improves society or not has nothing to do with how creative it is either, yet you still cited China saving the West didn't you? Implying that *China* has the requisite creativity because it invented useful products that saved the West. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
| legrande wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
| legrande wrote: |
| Menino80 wrote: |
| The idea is not that one method is inherently better or worse, it's that Sinic culture is less creative and the West is more, cheating and plagiarism being symptoms #1 and #2. |
I wouldn't term it so much Sinic as Korean. Without China back in the day of Marco Polo the west wouldn't be squash. Or at the least have had to learn a lot from somewhere else. |
I would absolutely term it Sinic. It did great in feudal times, not so great until replicable high value added products became widespread and transportation and communication costs dropped |
Whether something sells or not isn't necessarily a barometer of how creative it is. |
Whether something improves society or not has nothing to do with how creative it is either, yet you still cited China saving the West didn't you? Implying that *China* has the requisite creativity because it invented useful products that saved the West. |
Well, that would be one way to read that passage. Another would be that the west ascribed value to certain technologies they found in use in China and decided to implement based on the results they saw. |
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Threads like this are like the Horn of Gondor (<-----awesome geek reference) for the apologists. Cap, Crossmr and Steelrails have already stormed the battlefield, just missing a few others. |
and the point when you know the trolls have no further argument to make.. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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So those advocating for creativity and openmindedness would prefer an echo chamber of how Koreans Lack Creativity?
"Koreans are closedminded and just want people to agree with them."
"Why do these apologists show up and disagree with me? Can't they just go along with what I have to say."
I'd go more with "Jingling Latinum to a Ferengi" for my geek reference.
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"Holy cow, Batman! Off the rails is back with more balderdash!"
"No surprise there, Boy Wonder! His view of life is to bring eveything down to his level of medicority as a way to rationalize his, well calling it life might not be wholly accurate."
"No kidding. Did you see the playoff game last night? Man, I can't believe some of the moves those guys make."
"Art in motion, Robin But don't forget the years of practice it took them to get to that level."
"I guess that's true of all craftsman. They master their skills and then refine them, creating ways to best use their abilities."
"Sure. I didn't just pick this bat suit off the rack at Saks."
"But some things are simple, right? Like right and wrong and what's good?"
"There's no one size fits all in life. Everyone has to find out these things for themselves, especially how and when to apply their values."
"Perry's ghost, Batman! When did you get so philosphical?"
"I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and ran into the Dalai Lama at the free breakfast."
"That figures." |
So are you still going to assert that creativity is THE essential quality for good living?
I'll go with love, responsibility, and treatment towards your fellow man.
If you have life all figured out atwood, why are you so angry and snarky?
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How low can you go? I NEVER stated creativity was THE essential quality for good living. You have to twist another's words to support your "argument"?
Snarky? So besides lacking creativity, you're short a sense of humor. That's a tough thing to copy.
"Love, responsibility, and treatment towards your fellow man." Go ahead and define these concepts, as well as qualifying what kind of treatment you're referring to. You can do better than a cliche' that even Hallmark wouldn't accept, can't you? |
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