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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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What is a "common American restaurant"? I've always lived in big cities or near college towns with a wide variety of reasonably priced independent restaurants and a dearth of chain places. Within that, we have huge immigrant populations within the US, which provides us with a lot more options dining-wise. Maybe I'm just a Northeastern elitist out of touch with Appleby's Middle America, but in the major population areas I've frequented there has been a wide variety of dining options that aren't major chains, and that includes a fair number of relatively small New England towns.
I don't understand the complete unwillingness to give Americans ownership over any of the massive amount of ethnic cuisine that flourishes within its borders. |
a common american restaurant would be that which a typical american would frequent. i'm from nyc like nyc girl, and i know the luxuries of having "good food." however, i did spend a good bit of time in the midwest during the ol' formative years and they do not have the same luxury. the sad reality is that many places in middle america neither need nor want ethnic food.
the arguement "oh but westerners have good choices in ethnic food" does not support the idea that westerners eat well and is indirectly using ethnic food as a scapegoat for how bad western food really is, which was the point of this discussion after it trotted away from the op and his/her asinine post. look at all the ethnic food most americans have access to. american versions of "chinese", mexican, and italian. those are hardly poster cuisines for healthy living.
so to sum it up, knowing where you are coming from being from the city myself, yes you might be out of touch with how the majority eat, because they sure aren't eating what remotely comes close to healthy or what you've probably been fortunate enough to eat. they probably eat good ethnic food as many times in a year as they can name foreign countries, which contrary to popular belief, the soviet union is not. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Northway and NYC Gal----
I think you are missing my point. I'm not saying there isn't any healthy restaurants or options in the states. There is a large variety of many things in the good ol' USA. But...even if the US had more healthy restaurants than any other place in the world, it DOES NOTHING to explain why the majority, or even average, Americans are obese, overweight, unhealthy, etc. My question is this: if Americans have such amazing healthy foods, why are we one of the fattest in the world?
Also, its foolish to say suggest that the Korean diet, in general, is less healthy then the American diet, in general. OPEN YOUR EYES and look at the people and the evidence. |
We're both from the Northeast, neither of us grew up being subject to the people or the evidence. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Well, as someone wh lost 50 pounts and kept it off for a few years....
The Korean diet is pretty bad. Especially once you add hoff food into the mix + the crappy quality of alcohol.
I found myself struggling to maintin my weight far more than back home.
Koreans are thinner becuase of their body type. Not they're diet.
Hence why there are so many fat older people. Ever see a naturally skinny adult get fat? Not until they're older.
As to why they aren't huge like fat americans: Korean old people do more exercise, move around mov, and have less money to blow on food.
Koreans also drink far less soda.
SODA is the real killer. 3 cans of soda can replace a meal.
Americans chug that stuff like crazy.
Also, Americans tend to like things with calorie dense sauces like mayonaise or salad dressing along with milk products. Koreans rarely indulged in milk related products until recently.
Too much focus in American diet plans emphasis carbs, proteins, etc.
It's calories! PERIOD. You wll never get fat consuming only 2,200 calories or less a day no matter what you eat. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| Koreans are thinner becuase of their body type. Not they're diet. |
very wrong. please watch the video i posted in my first reply on this thread.
| minos wrote: |
SODA is the real killer. 3 cans of soda can replace a meal.
Americans chug that stuff like crazy. |
very right. people need to stop drinking soda. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
the people posting on this thread are a riot. stop with all this carbs is bad nonsense. it's not the carbs that are getting people fat. it's the fat, sugar, overeating, and lack of exercise. unless you're eating more carbs than you are burning off they are not going to make you fat (that's where portion control comes in but that's a totally different discussion).
carbs are simply just a basic unit of energy that the body uses from food. one gram of a carbohydrate equals six calories, the same ratio as another basic bodily neccesity, protein (hmm. how ironic...). fat and alcohol ring in at 1:9 and 1:7, respectively. i have a strong feeling that most of the people posting on this thread don't even know what a calorie is. if you don't know, a calorie is the unit of energy required to raise 1 gram of water 1 degree celsius or 4.1868 joules.
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Nobody said carbs are bad for you. Don't put words in my mouth. I mentioned I cut out carbs when I'm cutting weight. Also, carbs are the biggest reason people get fat, since human bodies tend to store carbs into fat more than other macronutrients. So if you want to lose weight, cutting carbs is a pretty sure way to do it. There are also studies that claim grains aren't that good for you and it is better to get carbs from vegetable sources like potatoes (but all veggies have some carbs anyway). Modern human beings consume way too many carbs, and carbs from grain sources compared to hunter-gather societies who are much healthier (We are able to live longer due to advances in medicine). Of course people need carbs to function, it's just much healthier for us to not get it by eating vegetables rather than rice and pasta. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| dereklee003 wrote: |
Northway and NYC Gal----
I think you are missing my point. I'm not saying there isn't any healthy restaurants or options in the states. There is a large variety of many things in the good ol' USA. But...even if the US had more healthy restaurants than any other place in the world, it DOES NOTHING to explain why the majority, or even average, Americans are obese, overweight, unhealthy, etc. My question is this: if Americans have such amazing healthy foods, why are we one of the fattest in the world?
Also, its foolish to say suggest that the Korean diet, in general, is less healthy then the American diet, in general. OPEN YOUR EYES and look at the people and the evidence. |
I see a lot of skinny-fat people. They may be slim, but they have no muscle. At least, the girls don't. Guys tend to get some after military service, at least. I may not be the size 0 that I was before moving here, but I'm by no means fat, and I have a good deal of muscle underneath the 6 kilo that I want to lose. Sure, there is a big problem back west, but I see that catching up here rapidly. Just look at the elementary kids. A good 15-20% of my kids were fat. Fast food (Korean and western both) has hit this place big time, and in decades to come, it will become a serious problem.
As for dieting, Of the dozen or so female Koreans that I'm friendly with, 8 are either doing "treatments" or taking diet pills. 2 are TOO skinny, and 2 are older so don't give a damn so have gotten chubby. Only one has muscle tone, and she goes to taekwondo with me. She's still doing treatments, though.
I know what you're saying, but to discount all of America as burger and fries eating slobs is just as silly as saying that all Koreans are fit. Being thin and being fit are different animals. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Julius wrote:
Korean food is unheathy? And burgers and fries aren't? U got to be kidding...
Louis IV responded:
Yeah, because mom made us hamburgers and fries to eat. |
Yeah because Korean mothers cook fat samguypsal and offer ramyan to their kids at home as exclusive meals. 
Lets not confuse RESTAURANTS with HOME COOKING.
As for Korean food, oddly enough eating healthy is a choice a person makes....funny how that works.
John Doe there who hits the samgyupsal palce each night and skimps on food for other meals to save money by choosing great stuff like ramyan will be unhealthy.
Jane Doe here chooses a more mixed diet of Korean dishes and eats reasonable portions and magically she is healthy.
Simply amazing no? |
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dereklee003
Joined: 03 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:47 am Post subject: |
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I know Americans eat more than burgers and fries. I also know that the average American diet sucks, Americans still have a fat problem, and heart disease and diabetes levels are a big reflection of this.
I know I didn't eat healthy back home. I credit the diet change and not having a car for helping me to go from 200lbs to 165lbs within the first year in Korea.
I know that being skinny does not equate being healthy, but I would say they at least have a head start on us with that. As for the carbs are evil, white rice is bad thing, I don't buy it. I lived in the Philippines for 2 years, and in Korea for over 2 years now, and both times I lost weight while eating rice everyday. That tells me that rice isn't the problem.
I think soda, sugar, food portion size, and lack of exercise are major factors we don't focus on enough. |
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movybuf
Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Location: Mokdong
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| Samgyupsal is the fat part of the pig. I don't get why Koreans love it so much when you can get much much better tasting parts of the animal, like bacon. |
I hope this was a joke. Otherwise you are an idiot. |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| movybuf wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| Samgyupsal is the fat part of the pig. I don't get why Koreans love it so much when you can get much much better tasting parts of the animal, like bacon. |
I hope this was a joke. Otherwise you are an idiot. |
look at his/her last reply to me. i'm fairly sure it was not a joke. |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| DorkothyParker wrote: |
Anorexia keeps the populace thin, are you all for that too? |
Anorexia keeps the populace thin? That's your explanation for how Korea is at the bottom of the BMI charts?
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NO.
I was just in a bad mood and it pisses me off when men insinuate the female body belongs to their gaze. But again, I am in a really pissy mood.
While he used quotes to imply that the "unhealthy" food is actually healthy, it is a wrong and hurtful thing to say that a person's appearance is more important than their general health.
But again, I am really, really pissy and sensitive right now. Even knowing that, I am getting worked up.
So, basically my post should have said "Frak off! Thin isn't always healthy and the female body doesn't exist for your to leer at." My mistake. I'll say that next time. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
| Koreans are thinner becuase of their body type. Not they're diet. |
very wrong. please watch the video i posted in my first reply on this thread.
| minos wrote: |
SODA is the real killer. 3 cans of soda can replace a meal.
Americans chug that stuff like crazy. |
very right. people need to stop drinking soda. |
Body type: All my gyopo friends who eat western diets are also skinny as hell or at least low body fat....including the ones raised as adoptees to fat white people.
There are plenty of loser/nerdy dudes with god awful diets of alcohol, ramyeon, and snacks along with 16+ hours of sitting a day in Korea.
Still thin as a rail 90% of the time. Those same dudes back home are always either:
Super fat
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bean pole thin (like koreans)
It ain't the "carbs". Those folks couldn't gain weight unless they ate tubs of ice cream each day.
Also, what about Europe? Less fat people, but they have all the same sugars, candies, and sweets. |
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Skipperoo
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Just because they have them doesn't mean they stuff their face with them to the same extent, or have similar lifestyles in terms of activity. To suggest that Europeans have a different genetic 'body type' from Americans is downright bizarre logic.
Forgive me if I missed your point, but that seemed to be the implication. |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Sure some American food can be unhealthy, but there are SO MANY MORE healthier options in American than in Korea. It's really up to the individual whether they will choose a healthy or harmful diet. You can even get healthy Korean food in any big American city.
You can't really get healthy American food in big Korean cities. You have much fewer choices in Korea, although options are slowly increasing here. |
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