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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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 Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Eedoryeong wrote: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| . Almost every paper I've read on ROK military doctrine either explains concepts in American doctrine or explores ways to implement American doctrine into Korean operational thinking. . |
Since America still has peacetime control over the ROK military...this should hardly be suprising. |
I think a point is being missed. Since America has had peacetime control over the ROK there has been ample opportunity for the ROK to develop its own military tech solutions but hasn't. The fact that they work alongside their US ally needn't necessarily have an effect on Korean innovation. Isn't that what fermentation was raising? I think the point stands. |
Oh really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26T_Daewoo_K11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Black_Panther
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDX-III
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K9_Thunder
As for doctrine, obviously South Korea is going to use American doctrine whenever possible to achieve effective cooperation and integration.
I mean you look at American doctrine because America has loads of experience in warfare.
And again, R&D is great so long as its cost effective.
You don't blow tons of money just to make something original when you can either copy/buy it for far cheaper. You can instead use that money on something else.
I guess the question is, would rather make something first? Or would you rather make it the best? Or would you rather get it out to the most number of people?
There are virtues to all three approaches. I don't see why one company should be vilified for following any one of those approaches. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Eedoryeong wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| fermentation wrote: |
| . Almost every paper I've read on ROK military doctrine either explains concepts in American doctrine or explores ways to implement American doctrine into Korean operational thinking. . |
Since America still has peacetime control over the ROK military...this should hardly be suprising. |
I think a point is being missed. Since America has had peacetime control over the ROK there has been ample opportunity for the ROK to develop its own military tech solutions but hasn't. The fact that they work alongside their US ally needn't necessarily have an effect on Korean innovation. Isn't that what fermentation was raising? I think the point stands. |
Oh really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26T_Daewoo_K11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Black_Panther
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDX-III
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K9_Thunder
As for doctrine, obviously South Korea is going to use American doctrine whenever possible to achieve effective cooperation and integration.
I mean you look at American doctrine because America has loads of experience in warfare.
And again, R&D is great so long as its cost effective.
You don't blow tons of money just to make something original when you can either copy/buy it for far cheaper. You can instead use that money on something else.
I guess the question is, would rather make something first? Or would you rather make it the best? Or would you rather get it out to the most number of people?
There are virtues to all three approaches. I don't see why one company should be vilified for following any one of those approaches. |
The original post explains why. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| No way is Samsung failing - they are making a killing from ripping off the iPhone! And I don't see how Apple is going to prove that in court unless they find a snitch. |
You do know that many of key components of iPhone are provided by Samsung, right? Below is the snippet from an article on the rise of suppliers as a result of increased sales of iPhone.
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No one who isn't blatantly biased in favour of Samsung is buying what you're selling.
And, yes, I knew Samsung supplies key components and it doesn't change the truth of my statement. |
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marsavalanche
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Detroit cars have gotten better from the stuff they produced in the 80s and 90s, which led to GM's bankruptcy. Ever wonder why? Of course when GM or Ford copies it's called research 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303627104576413971267185128.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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| "Engineers from General Motors Co. took apart Hyundai Motor Co.'s Elantra sedan in 2009, studying the engine and trying to predict what the Korean auto maker might do next. When the latest Elantra launched this year, GM engineers were surprised: The compact sedan beat their predictions for weight, fuel economy and cost as well." |
and marsavalanche, nice try but those covers are not exclusively Apples. Be that as it may, Samsung has said that they have not approved those covers.
Also, as for the OP, I don't know why Mr. Ahn is held out as a IT guru/expert on Samsung. Yeah, he owns a anti-virus company. How does that make him an expert in creativity? Everyone knows that Korea has to help its small and mid-sized businesses. Pres. Lee is actually trying to do that now.
The former CEO of Google, Eric Schmidt knows what Apple is really complaining about:
http://www.dailytech.com/Google+ExCEO+Apple+Doesnt+Innovate+They+Sue/article22190.htm
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Google Ex-CEO: Apple Doesn't Innovate, They Sue
Schmidt says Steve Jobs and company are jealous of Android's success
Google Inc.'s (GOOG) former CEO Eric Schmidt had harsh words for rival Apple, Inc. (AAPL) on Tuesday. Speaking at the Mobile Revolution conference in Tokyo, Mr. Schmidt let loose:
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| "The big news in the past year has been the explosion of Google Android handsets and this means our competitors are responding. Because they are not responding with innovation, they�re responding with lawsuits. We have not done anything wrong and these lawsuits are just inspired by our success." |
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This patent suit has nothing to do with creativity or copying but about competition and Apple's fear of it. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| komerican wrote: |
Detroit cars have gotten better from the stuff they produced in the 80s and 90s, which led to GM's bankruptcy. Ever wonder why? Of course when GM or Ford copies it's called research
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303627104576413971267185128.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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| "Engineers from General Motors Co. took apart Hyundai Motor Co.'s Elantra sedan in 2009, studying the engine and trying to predict what the Korean auto maker might do next. When the latest Elantra launched this year, GM engineers were surprised: The compact sedan beat their predictions for weight, fuel economy and cost as well." |
and marsavalanche, nice try but those covers are not exclusively Apples. Be that as it may, Samsung has said that they have not approved those covers.
Also, as for the OP, I don't know why Mr. Ahn is held out as a IT guru/expert on Samsung. Yeah, he owns a anti-virus company. How does that make him an expert in creativity? Everyone knows that Korea has to help its small and mid-sized businesses. Pres. Lee is actually trying to do that now.
The former CEO of Google, Eric Schmidt knows what Apple is really complaining about:
http://www.dailytech.com/Google+ExCEO+Apple+Doesnt+Innovate+They+Sue/article22190.htm
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Google Ex-CEO: Apple Doesn't Innovate, They Sue
Schmidt says Steve Jobs and company are jealous of Android's success
Google Inc.'s (GOOG) former CEO Eric Schmidt had harsh words for rival Apple, Inc. (AAPL) on Tuesday. Speaking at the Mobile Revolution conference in Tokyo, Mr. Schmidt let loose:
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| "The big news in the past year has been the explosion of Google Android handsets and this means our competitors are responding. Because they are not responding with innovation, they�re responding with lawsuits. We have not done anything wrong and these lawsuits are just inspired by our success." |
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This patent suit has nothing to do with creativity or copying but about competition and Apple's fear of it. |
With spin like this, you need to open your own PR firm.
BTW, you forgot part of that WSJ article:
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Back in Seoul, Mr. Yang is now dealing with how to move Hyundai forward. He acknowledges Hyundai has been a "fast follower," essentially mimicking Toyota's strategy.
A few times a week, video screens around Hyundai's headquarters in Seoul show this clip which emphasizes creative thinking. It has quickly become a favorite among staffers.
Instilling creative thinking is a work in progress. A few times a week, video screens around Hyundai's headquarters in Seoul show a one-minute clip that has become a favorite among staffers. It shows an open office where workers wearing the same shirt and haircut are beavering away. Then a new person arrives with a different hair cut. Each time he voices an idea, the others shout him down. Eventually he gets the same haircut and everybody likes him. Then a question appears: "Aren't we stuck in conventional thinking?" |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| The Samsung chaebol must break itself into several companies in order to survive. Get rid of the rights for Shilla Hotel for crying out loud. |
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markhan
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| No way is Samsung failing - they are making a killing from ripping off the iPhone! And I don't see how Apple is going to prove that in court unless they find a snitch. |
You do know that many of key components of iPhone are provided by Samsung, right? Below is the snippet from an article on the rise of suppliers as a result of increased sales of iPhone.
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No one who isn't blatantly biased in favour of Samsung is buying what you're selling.
And, yes, I knew Samsung supplies key components and it doesn't change the truth of my statement. |
First, I am not really a fan of Samsung as I share the concern with Mr. Ahn that Samsung is becoming too "monopolistic."
Second, I don't know how you can simply dismissed away that Samsung provides key components to Apple.
Third, as I am sure you are aware of, Apple has to pay billions of dollars to Nokia for patent infringement. So much so that it affected the bottom line of Nokia.
I am not the one who is being "blatantly biased" here. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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Samsung is Korea! it employs like 100.000 people directly and probably millions in directly. talk about too big to fail!
originality? man they have it made, they are like snakes, they just wait for someone else to do all the hard work (create, conceive etc) and then like the Chinese, copy it and bring it to the market with the SAMSUNG brand which is a solid brand these days... still like SONY, there days in the sun might be numbered.. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
Samsung is Korea! it employs like 100.000 people directly and probably millions in directly. talk about too big to fail!
originality? man they have it made, they are like snakes, they just wait for someone else to do all the hard work (create, conceive etc) and then like the Chinese, copy it and bring it to the market with the SAMSUNG brand which is a solid brand these days... still like SONY, there days in the sun might be numbered.. |
I agree and that's the problem. All your eggs in one basket is no way to run a national economy. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Koreadays wrote: |
Samsung is Korea! it employs like 100.000 people directly and probably millions in directly. talk about too big to fail!
originality? man they have it made, they are like snakes, they just wait for someone else to do all the hard work (create, conceive etc) and then like the Chinese, copy it and bring it to the market with the SAMSUNG brand which is a solid brand these days... still like SONY, there days in the sun might be numbered.. |
I agree and that's the problem. All your eggs in one basket is no way to run a national economy. |
With an unemployment rate of about 9.1 percent in the US and young people rioting in the streets in the UK your advice to Korea seems a bit er...puzzling/unnecessary.
Yes, Samsung's days may be numbered. Zenith Electronics used to be the number 1 producer of TVs in the US in the 60s and 70s. Now they�re wholly owned by LG electronics. So in the business world there are always existential threats.
Keep in mind though that 100s of countries around the world would love to have a Samsung, a Hyundai, POSCO, an LG, a Daewoo Engineering, etc. They're not perfect but at least they are Korean companies providing jobs and good jobs at that.
As for innovation, I think some folks here fundamentally misunderstand how companies develop products. Companies like Samsung do their own research but they also receive offers from companies all over the world who want to sell their inventions/licenses for a fee.
There are a steady stream of salespeople/patent holders that visit Samsung�s offices all day. What would you have Samsung do? Refuse to see these folks and insist on inventing everything?  |
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