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k guy hits gf, i intervene and push him.. i'm in trouble!
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rchristo10



Joined: 14 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: police Reply with quote

canoe_jesuit wrote:
she's seriously distressed and crying and both of them are drunk on soju at 5am and screams were heard every f#@ direction imaginable for over 15minutes.


Not to sound callous, but sounds to me like people who definitely wanted attention. So, well, that's what they got--from you.

It's always best to learn a language and integrate (i.e. become somewhat part of a community) before attempting to fix, repair, or even understand it. If your Korean is not up to par, then there are hundreds of problems with mixing preconceived ideas with what you assume you're seeing. People around the world take out their problems in different ways (from stoning to legal dispute) and though Hollywood would say differently, none are particularly better than all the others.

What you did was compound ignorance (lack of language ability and likely cultural understanding) with rash stupidity (likely tempered by your catching a potential rapist 6 years ago).
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously, video camera. And let him see you are doing it. Fear of the netizens will scare him more than the cops.

Not even close.

The cops might say, "go away... just let them be..."

Angry netizens will find out who he is, invade his life, pick apart his entire history, and shame his entire family.

Everyone knows this, and it will keep a nut like this in line.
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Tamada



Joined: 02 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP: You deserve everything that's coming to you. Why?

(1) You forgot to leave some of your Western morals at home.
(2) You tried to be a superhero and stupidly interfered in Korean business.
(3) Unprovoked, you pushed the guy.

You're either a troll or very wet between the ears and as green as cabbage. Wink
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: police Reply with quote

rchristo10 wrote:
People around the world take out their problems in different ways (from stoning to legal dispute) and though Hollywood would say differently, none are particularly better than all the others.



So according to your statement, legal disputes are not better than stoning? Sounds like cultural relativism taken to the ultimate nonsensical extreme. Or is that not what you really meant?

Obviously intervening where it isn't your business is sketchy, especially while amongst a different culture. Maybe the OP made a mistake in his actions, but do you think he is wrong in his overall judgement as well (i.e. repeatedly kicking a woman is wrong and something should probably be done about it)? Or is repeatedly kicking a woman no better than not repeatedly kicking her? At some point one has to admit that one behavior is better than another.

Or is the position here that beating women is just part of the culture here and outsiders should just automatically move on when they come across it? I'd like to know so I can be a better guest in this country. (I'm pretty sure it's not an inherent part of the culture but maybe I'm wrong). At the very least wouldn't the action warrant a call to the police?
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear a lot of people throwing around excuses stinking of cultural relativism, not knowing the culture well enough, etc as reasons for not intervening.

Well, during Chuseok of last year, a foreign friend and I were on a bus in a semi-rural area of Korea. In fact, aside from not being familiar with all of the hanja, this friend of mine is completely fluent in Korean and is quite familiar with Korean culture. However, when a fight broke out on the bus which consisted of a husband hitting his wife while their son was sitting on the floor crying, my friend was the first and only person to intervene and break up the domestic abuse.

So, while I agree with posters that the OP could try doing things differently in the future, my point is that no amount of cultural conditioning you learn as a foreigner, is going to stop you from acting on your initial gut instincts.
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myenglishisno



Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:


LET THE KOREANS DEAL WITH THE KOREANS


It's still legal to beat your girlfriend/wife in this country, you know. If it's not then it might as well be because nothing is ever done about it and reporting it just gets you in trouble.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is NOT legal to beat your gf or wife in Korea.

It is perhaps under-reported but it is NOT legal.

As for what to do...well calling the POLICE is the thing to do as this reports the incident and will lead to the cops showing up.

that is better than jumping in yourself and getting physical.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

General rule of thumb- If it doesn't involve a closed fist or full on kicks, it's probably part of some act.

Either they both want attention, or the girl wants the guy to "show he's serious" with non mark-leaving slaps, or sometimes it's the woman beating on the Masochist Man, or it's just some desperate attempt by two drama-queens to cook up some drama, or some sort of "we argue because we love each other" nonsense.

In that case, just ignore, or again, THROW WATER ON THEM. Don't even bother the cops, who probably have a blotter report a mile long on them.

Now if it's closed fists, do whatever you feel is right. There may be negative consequences, and be prepared for, and accept them, but follow your conscience.
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Tamada



Joined: 02 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anytime I see some Korean guy beating his gf or wife......I simply shrug my shoulders and think, that's Korean culture, and then move on with my daily business
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Ruby Thursday



Joined: 29 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dbl

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Ruby Thursday



Joined: 29 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:

Now if it's closed fists, do whatever you feel is right. There may be negative consequences, and be prepared for, and accept them, but follow your conscience.


What? Strangest advice I've ever read.
You do know someone can easily be knocked out cold with an open handed slap right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYAUB8SmN6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-VpIXV7aYQ&feature=related

More times than not the damage occurs from the victims head bouncing off the pavement than the strike itself.


Forget about specifics and semantics. Punches, kicks, slaps, chokes..its none of your damn business and you'll be the one who ends up getting F**ked up in the end...by the cops and the abuser.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruby Thursday: When it comes to vigilante action, don't be surprised at anything, anything at all, that comes from Steel Rails.
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cisco kid



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: Outlaws had us pinned down at the fort

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There has been too much violence, too much pain.
None here are without sin.

But I have an honorable compromise.
Just walk away.

Give me the girl, the fighting, the videos, and all your solutions, and I'll spare your lives.



Just walk away.
I will give you safe passage in the Wasteland.
Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems very Neo-Confucian to let family, or failing that, those already known to each other, sort everything out themselves.

Westerners believe everyone owes a duty to take reasonable precautions and act reasonably to everyone else. How many Koreans believe this? How foreign an idea is this to Neo-Confucianism?

The concept of duty is different for the average Korean, is it not? Isn't that why Koreans are hesitant to introduce new people to each other? They want to limit their social responsibility. Because let's be honest, Koreans WILL go to great lengths to help others when they perceive a duty to do so. The standard of care expected among compatriots and especially family is fairly high. But the duty arises more reluctantly and upon more narrow conditions.

That's why its so irritating to be a Westerner and a foreigner in Korea. The duty you'd immediately give to others is not as forthcoming from them. The foundations of reciprocity we have come to rely upon since childhood have been radically altered.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
It seems very Neo-Confucian to let family, or failing that, those already known to each other, sort everything out themselves.

Westerners believe everyone owes a duty to take reasonable precautions and act reasonably to everyone else. How many Koreans believe this? How foreign an idea is this to Neo-Confucianism?


I disagree. I think in certain areas Koreans are anarchical to each other as in the sardines getting on the bus, but in other areas there are high expectations of duty. If you go out to the provinces you'll see farmers leave their entire season's crop out to dry, unsupervised. That requires a tremendous amount of trust, duty and social cohesion.

Same with the west, we have a strong sense duty, say in queuing up in a line or respecting personal space, and other times we go crazy, as in the drunken buffoonery/Spring Break mentality we've all witnessed here.
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