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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:34 am Post subject: |
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T-J, relax man. no one is putting down Korea, or Koreans,
we are just saying what we experience, and what we experience happens to be in Korea. look man, I am first in line to bash my country in a conversation!
and I am first in line to defend it!
I started this thread in no one blaming Koreans!
I was asking who is to blame..
sure the teacher is a Korean, OF COURSE SHE IS.. this is Korea!
it wasn't an English Kindergarten, thank god for that, because then the news would really be running with this story and the Anti-Americanists would be out.
stupidity has no boundaries! |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Spongebob Squarepants wrote: |
| Saw this incident on Korean TV yesterday...suffice it to say for a host of reasons I will not be able to trust the care of my daughter to a Korean daycare/kindergarten facility. She will also not be attending Korean schools and my wife is with me 100% on this. Better safe than sorry folks. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| Korean style institutional-level negligence. |
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Mr. Peabody
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: here
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: |
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TJ, just to be clear, my argument is no that tragedies happen everywhere so no one is too blame.
It is that crap happens everywhere based on individual decisions.
At the end of the day these events remain tragedies and the pain the victims feel remains real.
The point is, these can not be prevented because it is impossible to account for every aspect of human behavior, errors, negligence.... |
Individual decisions, true... but is not the surrounding environment and culture/education a factor?
I mean, people decide to buckle up... as individuals, but there are other factors at play - Laws, enforcement of such laws, societal and economic pressures, etc...
To chalk it up to the individual ignores far too many factors.
If people keep leaving their kids in cars in front of casinos... THEY are to blame - of that I have no doubt. But come on, we all know that the lawmakers and community that chose to allow casinos to come in also made a choice.
I'm not about to say that one culture/country/people is better than another... no way. But when I have numerous Kindergarten directors telling me "you're the only one that asks that sort of question", then there is a divergence.
I dropped my daughter off at school a few weeks back... kissed her goodbye, and saw her walk into class. Usually there's someone at the main door to greet us. There wasn't. Usually her teacher closes the class door behind her... it stayed open.
I waited a few minutes, then took off my shoes to peek in. A dozen 4-5 year olds were running around the class in various forms of play.
No teacher.
I said 'hi', and started to shake hands and play with the ones that would have me.
20 minutes later a teacher came to get them for an 'event' downstairs (that they had been setting up).
I asked where the teacher was and apparently everyone was trying to set up the main gym for a guest speaker.
A guest speaker... for fooking 4 year olds!!??!?!
THIS had more priority than watching over the children? This had more priority than manning the front door??
To them, and many that I have encountered in this field, the 'special lessons' and such take precedence over (my belief of) the fundamentals of their job - that is to watch the kids. They are more concerned with pitching these specials... and of course, taking copious amounts of pictures of them, then focusing on more basic priorities.
Is this kindergarten an anomaly in Korea? Can we honestly say that this is abnormal here and not representative? Not in my experience, both as a father, a customer, and a teacher in them. I can go on and on about them from my experiences... and remember, this is the one I liked. You should have seen the one I pulled my girl out of.
So, you may call it an individual thing, others here want to say that this is just people complaining on Dave's... but read what I'm writing here... this is a father that is actually experiencing it. This is not some fly-by trolling attempt - this is actual. And I'm guessing that anybody with experience in Kindergartens here has seen similar. |
This could happen anywhere, but it is more likely to happen here, at this point in time.
Just like Patrick B said, when we were growing up in the 60' and 70's, nobody wore seatbelts or had child safety seats in their cars. It wasn't until the mid 80's that people in North America started paying attention to preventable fatalites in automobiles that things started to change.
However, I totally disagree with Pat's statement that no one is to blame for this accident. There is plenty of blame to go around and those guilty of negligence need to suffer the consequenses of their actions.
As a father, I know I wouldn't rest until justice was served. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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CC I called accidents the results of indivudual actions.
I also said different countries are at different places when it comes to behaviour, norms, perceptions of what is safe or unsafe.
Now what you have is a personal divergence on safety for your kid. That divergence is culturally grounded for you (how you were raised and what you know of safety for kids in Canada). It is normal to notice differences and to worry about your kid.
This will either change with time or it will remain largely the same. I know for example that the concept of clean is quite different in France vs Canada. They (the French) have quite a different standard when it comes to how thay maintain public places or homes. To a North American this may seem dirty but to them its not. It then becomes a choice for the foreigner or guest to either accept this as normal there if he or she can or to reject it as unnaceptable.
What it should NOT be seen as is some form of deviation from a "universal" standard.
Anyway, I hope all is well with you and yours CC. |
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