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big_fella1
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| itiswhatitis wrote: |
You're better off at a hagwon.
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This can be true but the great hagwons never use recruiters and almost never advertise. People renew, and then give the job to a friend when they finally leave.
Korea made sense 5 years ago, now it doesn't. If you can't even trust the government school system, why take a chance?
Thailand has great weather. China has great pay and a low living cost. Vietnam also can be quite lucrative.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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For those who think that I am full of it, you may have noticed that a certain provincial office of education will not be honoring existing contracts. Yes these are (or should I say WERE) public school jobs.
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You DO know the difference between the provincial government and the provincial office of education yes?
Apparently not so let me fill you in. It was the provincial government which removed the budget for native speakers salaries. The POE was not given any money therefore it was IMPOSSIBLE to honor the contracts. Once again it was the government and NOT the office of education.
Nice try but no go. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
| itiswhatitis wrote: |
You're better off at a hagwon.
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This can be true but the great hagwons never use recruiters and almost advertise. People renew, and then give the job to a friend when they finally leave.
Korea made sense 5 years ago, now it doesn't. If you can't even trust the government school system, why take a chance?
Thailand has great weather. China has great pay and a low living cost. Vietnam also can be quite lucrative. |
Yes. This is how you should job hunt. |
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Joshea8
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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I work at a good hagwon, we always get paid on time and don't get ripped off.
We do a report card for the students six times a semester, once a month. We evaluate them and meet with our boss once a week.
In our experience, some of the kids (ONLY SOME) don't respect us. And out of 80+ different students I've had in the last year one has bowed to me a couple times. Typically some kids just insult us when they can and rarely show respect. This of course is only some students, others are great kids with manners, but regardless would never bow to us (which doesn't really bother anyone obviously, since we wouldn't be used to it anyway). They get punished but a lot of them don't care because it's not "real school."
We've viewed it as they don't think of us as real teachers because it's after-school, and not real school. We've always thought it's different in public school, but OP definitely says differently.
It's bothersome sometimes, but overall it's a good job. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Joshea8 wrote: |
I work at a good hagwon, we always get paid on time and don't get ripped off.
We do a report card for the students six times a semester, once a month. We evaluate them and meet with our boss once a week.
In our experience, some of the kids (ONLY SOME) don't respect us. And out of 80+ different students I've had in the last year one has bowed to me a couple times. Typically some kids just insult us when they can and rarely show respect. This of course is only some students, others are great kids with manners, but regardless would never bow to us (which doesn't really bother anyone obviously, since we wouldn't be used to it anyway). They get punished but a lot of them don't care because it's not "real school."
We've viewed it as they don't think of us as real teachers because it's after-school, and not real school. We've always thought it's different in public school, but OP definitely says differently.
It's bothersome sometimes, but overall it's a good job. |
I wouldn't listen to what the OP says. I've no doubt he didn't get treated with respect at his public school, just as I have no doubt that it wasn't because it was a public school.
Students at my public high school bow and chorus "goodbye" on a regular basis to me in and OUT of class. |
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itiswhatitis
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| itiswhatitis wrote: |
For those who think that I am full of it, you may have noticed that a certain provincial office of education will not be honoring existing contracts. Yes these are (or should I say WERE) public school jobs.
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You DO know the difference between the provincial government and the provincial office of education yes?
Apparently not so let me fill you in. It was the provincial government which removed the budget for native speakers salaries. The POE was not given any money therefore it was IMPOSSIBLE to honor the contracts. Once again it was the government and NOT the office of education.
Nice try but no go. |
Thanks for the extremely technical information. I doubt that many teachers care about the technical reason(s). It seems to me that what matters to most is wheather or not they have a job at the end of the day.
Thanks again for the input. Thanks to you any public school teachers who are loosing their jobs will now know to be angry at the provincial government and not angry at the Provincial Office of Education (POE). What a pity if they got angry at the wrong people.
At least now you've also convinced some that just maybe I didn't know the difference between the provincial government and the Provincial office of Education (POE). |
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Eddy24
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: |
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God i stopped reading the first post half way through. I work at a hagwon. Some of the kids are very disrespectful. And the other foreign teachers I work with say they have had similar experiences elsewhere. I don't know if this is because i'm working with spoiled rich kids or whatever but I can definitely say that this hagwon has some kids who are pretty damn disrespectful. And they never bow. Not that it bothers me but they don't.
That doesn't mean that I think hagwons generally have bad kids but it obviously varies between from place to place. I hardly think one can surmise what the hagwons and public schools are like in Korea from one's own brief experience. |
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