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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Sorry... but NONE of the countries who qualify for an E2 have gone back to the "state system". They all, with the exception of the US, have ONE system and ONE database for checks.
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I believe he was talking about the host country (not the country of origin) going back to the state system. Unless things changed very recently, Japan was getting state checks instead of federal, and had no problems.
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You are wondering about the difference between getting the CBC in US/Canada and in NZ/Aust/UK? It's like night and day!
In NZ and Australia for example, my colleagues just print off an online form, sign it and post it home to the Internal Affairs Office with a credit card number and photocopy of the passport picutre page. Takes 15 minutes. Within a month a brand new CBC arrives in our office.
The problem is not in Korea, it is in Canada and the USA. |
Please tell me how the US and Canada can get smaller so the situations are comparable. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:53 am Post subject: |
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So it is the Korean governments fault for you being lazy. I mean not once in your during your whole contract of a year did you stop and think, "hey I like it here what do I need done if I am going to stay?" What do I need to do keep things going along fine. Nope you decided to wait till the last minute and when things got difficult you blamed everyone else but yourself.
So when you get in an accident and you have no insurance it is not your fault you have to pay some big bills. It is the government or insurance companies for not signing you and paying your bills.
So when a cop pulled you over and asked for your license to find it has expired and you get a nice big ticket. It is the DMV's fault for not coming to your house and help you fill in the paperwork.
So when you miss that fantastic concert that had been advertised for 4 months and they sold out of tickets a few days before it started. It was the ticket companies fault for not holding on to one ticket for you.
Grow up! Act like an adult, accept responsibility. Sit down, use your noggin and think. Prepare now for what might happen later.
I keep saying it again and again. CRC and degrees are like toothbrushes and password get a new one every six months. True it might cost your about a hundred dollars and not even be needed. But it is worth it versus the stress and hassles, and for you OP lost opportunities. Wow with some foresight you good have started the process months ago.
My real complaint with the whole CRC mess is not needing one but the randomness and illogic in the bureaucracies. Why did one person with a DWI was fine but your 20 years old tresspasing charge gets you banned.
As to the criminal tourists is this. Many countries can come to Korea visa free. Get on a plane come here and get in. They can stay for up to 3 months to 6 months, before they have to leave. But a quick jump to Japan and the tourist gets another 3 or 6 months. Many schools are willing to hire these people. True if caught they will get fined and the foreigner deported. Still odds are you will get away with it. For example I knew one American who could not get a clean record due to child supoort problems had worked here for about 2 or 3 years. Just had to travel to Japan once in a while. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Japan doesn't need one (cbc) for the visa process - may be an employer requirement but since it is not for government use it won't need authentication (the apostille).
Taiwan isn't a member of the apostille treaty. They require you to have a CBC validated by their trade mission in the US if they ask for one (usually only needed for teachers with proper visas - not usually done by people working in buxibans.
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You just shot yourself in the foot here, ttom. If the above is true, remind me again how Korea isn't part of the problem. Or at the very least, as I said before, an unforeseen result of unrelated government policies.
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
So it is the Korean governments fault for you being lazy. I mean not once in your during your whole contract of a year did you stop and think, "hey I like it here what do I need done if I am going to stay?" What do I need to do keep things going along fine. Nope you decided to wait till the last minute and when things got difficult you blamed everyone else but yourself.
So when you get in an accident and you have no insurance it is not your fault you have to pay some big bills. It is the government or insurance companies for not signing you and paying your bills.
So when a cop pulled you over and asked for your license to find it has expired and you get a nice big ticket. It is the DMV's fault for not coming to your house and help you fill in the paperwork.
So when you miss that fantastic concert that had been advertised for 4 months and they sold out of tickets a few days before it started. It was the ticket companies fault for not holding on to one ticket for you.
Grow up! Act like an adult, accept responsibility. Sit down, use your noggin and think. Prepare now for what might happen later.
I keep saying it again and again. CRC and degrees are like toothbrushes and password get a new one every six months. True it might cost your about a hundred dollars and not even be needed. But it is worth it versus the stress and hassles, and for you OP lost opportunities. Wow with some foresight you good have started the process months ago.
My real complaint with the whole CRC mess is not needing one but the randomness and illogic in the bureaucracies. Why did one person with a DWI was fine but your 20 years old tresspasing charge gets you banned.
As to the criminal tourists is this. Many countries can come to Korea visa free. Get on a plane come here and get in. They can stay for up to 3 months to 6 months, before they have to leave. But a quick jump to Japan and the tourist gets another 3 or 6 months. Many schools are willing to hire these people. True if caught they will get fined and the foreigner deported. Still odds are you will get away with it. For example I knew one American who could not get a clean record due to child supoort problems had worked here for about 2 or 3 years. Just had to travel to Japan once in a while. |
Umm... I actually did plan ahead, but it still backfired on me. I'll be receiving my second CBC a good two months before the one I have expires. Once I've started my contract the planning will become easier. But when you're still searching for jobs the windows of opportunity are much smaller (arbitrarily) as a result of the CBC processing time. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
So it is the Korean governments fault for you being lazy. I mean not once in your during your whole contract of a year did you stop and think, "hey I like it here what do I need done if I am going to stay?" What do I need to do keep things going along fine. Nope you decided to wait till the last minute and when things got difficult you blamed everyone else but yourself.
So when you get in an accident and you have no insurance it is not your fault you have to pay some big bills. It is the government or insurance companies for not signing you and paying your bills.
So when a cop pulled you over and asked for your license to find it has expired and you get a nice big ticket. It is the DMV's fault for not coming to your house and help you fill in the paperwork.
So when you miss that fantastic concert that had been advertised for 4 months and they sold out of tickets a few days before it started. It was the ticket companies fault for not holding on to one ticket for you.
Grow up! Act like an adult, accept responsibility. Sit down, use your noggin and think. Prepare now for what might happen later.
I keep saying it again and again. CRC and degrees are like toothbrushes and password get a new one every six months. True it might cost your about a hundred dollars and not even be needed. But it is worth it versus the stress and hassles, and for you OP lost opportunities. Wow with some foresight you good have started the process months ago.
My real complaint with the whole CRC mess is not needing one but the randomness and illogic in the bureaucracies. Why did one person with a DWI was fine but your 20 years old tresspasing charge gets you banned.
As to the criminal tourists is this. Many countries can come to Korea visa free. Get on a plane come here and get in. They can stay for up to 3 months to 6 months, before they have to leave. But a quick jump to Japan and the tourist gets another 3 or 6 months. Many schools are willing to hire these people. True if caught they will get fined and the foreigner deported. Still odds are you will get away with it. For example I knew one American who could not get a clean record due to child supoort problems had worked here for about 2 or 3 years. Just had to travel to Japan once in a while. |
If you're gonna be an ass... take some time to think about what's going on and read what people are posting here. You don't know me, stop assuming.
The FBI CBC is an unnecessary pain after the first time. The fact the we even have to do it more than once is just plain stupid. The fact that we have to get fingerprinted every time is stupid. The idea of getting one every 6 months "just in case" is stupid, and people that do that just makes the turnaround longer for the rest of us.
Some jobs simply don't give you enough time for a check. I saw many job postings in November that required a CBC for December. Unless I'm clairvoyant, I won't have my check ready in time.
Grow up! Act like an adult, accept responsibility. Sit down, use your noggin and think (and read the posts). Figure out what you're actually talking about. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Japan doesn't need one (cbc) for the visa process - may be an employer requirement but since it is not for government use it won't need authentication (the apostille).
Taiwan isn't a member of the apostille treaty. They require you to have a CBC validated by their trade mission in the US if they ask for one (usually only needed for teachers with proper visas - not usually done by people working in buxibans.
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You just shot yourself in the foot here, ttom. If the above is true, remind me again how Korea isn't part of the problem. Or at the very least, as I said before, an unforeseen result of unrelated government policies. |
Just because they allow criminals to work in their "language academy/institute" system doesn't mean Korea should.
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yep I agree it is stupid and some of the illogic with the process is maddening. But that stupidity and lack of logic is abundant with all bureaucracies. Korea just brings it only special flavor to the craziness. Welcome to life, it's a bitch. It's owes you nothing. Still those prepared are the ones that prosper.
Yep I agree too - places that advertise for a job a month later is not fair. This reason is why I say get a new one every six months, because life has proven to me time and time again not to be fair. So I prepare, well try and not always successfully. It is why some people buy insurance or get a passport because just maybe .... maybe they might needed it. Not right now but maybe later.
You think your screwed, try me. I have been screwed 4 times (2 checks/ 2 fingerprint forms at 2 different times for 4 checks) with the RCMP, almost going on a full year now and still no check. My first one sent back because I forgot my address here in Korea in one place, but was in a another place, never mind it was going to my sister in Canada. The second it has been about 4 or 5 months and still nothing. Never mind that the first ones got sent back filled it. THE RCMP also takes longer then your FBI and in some ways more convoluted then the FBI process. Still I did my best to find a workaround.
So go ahead whine that life is not fair. Do things they way you been doing them for now. Don't be surprised when things change around. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Japan doesn't need one (cbc) for the visa process - may be an employer requirement but since it is not for government use it won't need authentication (the apostille).
Taiwan isn't a member of the apostille treaty. They require you to have a CBC validated by their trade mission in the US if they ask for one (usually only needed for teachers with proper visas - not usually done by people working in buxibans.
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You just shot yourself in the foot here, ttom. If the above is true, remind me again how Korea isn't part of the problem. Or at the very least, as I said before, an unforeseen result of unrelated government policies. |
Just because they allow criminals to work in their "language academy/institute" system doesn't mean Korea should.
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Well, that's not really what I was suggesting... But, anyway, I'm not sure I want to keep pursuing this both because neither of us (or anyone on this forum) created this red tape so there isn't much point attacking each other, and because you're one of the most respected and resourceful posters on these forums.
I'm sure the FBI and numerous congressmen have been getting (and will continue to get) an earful about the CBC processing time. Maybe if enough people do this, it will eventually fix the broken system. Here's hoping.
If the processing time keeps me from getting the position I've been accepted to this spring, I'll pick my bone with them, not with you. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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It's wrong on both ends. You shouldn't need to give another country a CBC, the check should be done before you leave the country. One time check, and then you go.
No paperwork on either side. Immigration already has face scan, fingerprint, etc... technology at the airport. Why not consolidate all this and make one go of it. You show your E2 visa at the airport, that flags you as needing a CBC check and then you are on your way.
This doesn't need to be something processed in your home country for weeks and then again put into some database in Korea. Too much useless work. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| It's wrong on both ends. You shouldn't need to give another country a CBC, the check should be done before you leave the country. One time check, and then you go. |
LOL... never talked to anyone who tried to get a US entry visa then.
The USCIS is 10x worse than Korea when it comes to getting a work visa (been there, done that, AND got the t-shirt).
In fact, up until about 2 years ago, it would take anywhere from 90-days to 6 months for a Korean to just get a tourist visa (never mind a work visa) to get to the states and they also needed background checks, proof of financial stability, employment and assets, ad nauseum).
Then get grilled, harassed and treated like illegals when they try to enter the US or get questioned by some police officer on the street.
The policy is just tit-for-tat, reciprocity.
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
Yep I agree it is stupid and some of the illogic with the process is maddening. But that stupidity and lack of logic is abundant with all bureaucracies. Korea just brings it only special flavor to the craziness. Welcome to life, it's a bitch. It's owes you nothing. Still those prepared are the ones that prosper.
Yep I agree too - places that advertise for a job a month later is not fair. This reason is why I say get a new one every six months, because life has proven to me time and time again not to be fair. So I prepare, well try and not always successfully. It is why some people buy insurance or get a passport because just maybe .... maybe they might needed it. Not right now but maybe later.
You think your screwed, try me. I have been screwed 4 times (2 checks/ 2 fingerprint forms at 2 different times for 4 checks) with the RCMP, almost going on a full year now and still no check. My first one sent back because I forgot my address here in Korea in one place, but was in a another place, never mind it was going to my sister in Canada. The second it has been about 4 or 5 months and still nothing. Never mind that the first ones got sent back filled it. THE RCMP also takes longer then your FBI and in some ways more convoluted then the FBI process. Still I did my best to find a workaround.
So go ahead whine that life is not fair. Do things they way you been doing them for now. Don't be surprised when things change around. |
All the more reason for you to be angry at the situation.
That's the point of forums for some people: a place to vent. It's a pretty healthy place to do it. I'm not whining that live is not fair. I'm complaining about the CBC requirement. It's a valid complaint, and there are ways for both sides to fix it. If you don't see that, then there's nothing anyone can do to change your mind. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Well a positive change did happen. Korea I find gives and takes. Sometimes they are completely messed up like with the whole VSS debacle for Canadians. Other times they are very reasonable like when for 2010 they gave a mulligan to those renewing with the same school of not needing new CRC.
Well recently immigration has now said that once you have a proper CRC it will be good for as long as you are in Korea and if you do leave you have 90 days to come back before it expires. Very nice.
Me I was hope for simple logic of your CRC is good as long you are in country and/or traveling with the caveat of if you went back to your home country you would need a new one for next contract.
Now these new rules are all nice, but I still prepare for hassles ( well try to prepare) of the Korean Immi variety or general messed up life. It seems to me that nothing goes according to plan or agreed upon rules.
This whole was easy to see and predict. It was only time until Korean government closed up loops holes or restricted things. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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All this talk is making me wonder if my Criminal Check is in fact good.
I got renewed back in July and my school said to me "everything is fine with Immigration." My 2008 notarized Canadian city police check was considered acceptable (because it searches RCMP database).
But I have a friend INSISTING it's RCMP checks ONLY from now on. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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All this talk is making me wonder if my Criminal Check is in fact good.
I got renewed back in July and my school said to me "everything is fine with Immigration." My 2008 notarized Canadian city police check was considered acceptable (because it searches RCMP database).
But I have a friend INSISTING it's RCMP checks ONLY from now on. |
I got my Calgary/City check verified by the Vancouver consulate about a month ago. Have yet to see if immigration will take. Likely will, immi officer will do the basic scan for the Korean stamp, see it and be satisfied. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
I got my Calgary/City check verified by the Vancouver consulate about a month ago. Have yet to see if immigration will take. Likely will, immi officer will do the basic scan for the Korean stamp, see it and be satisfied. |
Well, if the Consulate is stamping a city check then (you would think) it must be acceptable.
Mine was notarized by the Canadian Embassy back in 2008. And was deemed acceptable in 2009, 2010 and now in July 2011. I was never warned nor have I signed any paperwork saying "I will update it before the next Visa renewal". Of course, I've never been to immigration. My school deals directly with immigration.
I just don't want to be told in July 2012 that it's no good. That I have 90 days to get an RCMP version or leave the country.
RCMP checks can take anywhere from 3 to 5 months. It's ridiculous. |
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