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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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 Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm assuming that this man was older than you. Older people hate it when younger people don't give them their utmost respect...No matter how drunk, rude or annoying they are in the first place, act humble before the stern looking elders. Being a foreigner usually makes it worse. If you cannot speak advanced level Korean, this will only add problems.
To top it off would be actually telling the guy something like, "Don't worry I married a Korean girl, so I have my rights too." |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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My most recent has been an uppity cab driver who gave me a whole lecture about not being able to speak Korean and how this was Korea. I just zoned him out because I was about to go play screen golf and I didn't need him messing up my game. Strategy: Ignore/Nod along
Some college age kid tried to mess with me because his friend knew he was being dumb and could tell from the look in my eye that this guy was going to get more than he bargained for. Funny part was I was drinking with one of his superiors a few weeks later and the dude had to suck up to me. Strategy: Stare Down
The closest its ever come has been some old guy who thought I was Japanese (in retrospect wearing the MMA Kanji t-shirt in a public park was not the best move) and he started to get all shouting and then punched me in the stomach. However, it was an incredibly weak punch and all I did was smile and I think he realized the odds and just walked off swearing. Strategy: Smile
Then there's the "get the heck out of my store" racist ajumma. Strategy: Take business elsewhere
Different methods for different situations |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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The right thing to do in this situation, (no matter what you thought he was thinking) is to ignore whatever paranoid delusions might be going through your head - and to remind yourself that you're not back home in Canada or Wichita anymore.
This is his country, and these things happen.
Humble yourself and walk away. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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My most recent has been an uppity cab driver who gave me a whole lecture about not being able to speak Korean and how this was Korea. I just zoned him out because I was about to go play screen golf and I didn't need him messing up my game. Strategy: Ignore/Nod along
Some college age kid tried to mess with me because his friend knew he was being dumb and could tell from the look in my eye that this guy was going to get more than he bargained for. Funny part was I was drinking with one of his superiors a few weeks later and the dude had to suck up to me. Strategy: Stare Down
The closest its ever come has been some old guy who thought I was Japanese (in retrospect wearing the MMA Kanji t-shirt in a public park was not the best move) and he started to get all shouting and then punched me in the stomach. However, it was an incredibly weak punch and all I did was smile and I think he realized the odds and just walked off swearing. Strategy: Smile
Then there's the "get the heck out of my store" racist ajumma. Strategy: Take business elsewhere
Different methods for different situations |
A Stone Cold Stunner or Sharpshooter would also suit these scenarios
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The right thing to do in this situation, (no matter what you thought he was thinking) is to ignore whatever paranoid delusions might be going through your head - and to remind yourself that you're not back home in Canada or Wichita anymore.
This is his country, and these things happen. |
It's sometimes hard to tell when people are trolling on here |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Dirty looks, sweary mutterings, and general sucking of air through teeth-style stuff I can always walk away from........albeit with a good hard look in the eye to show him he hasn't intimidated me.
But any bodily contact will be met with equal force.
I won't be bullied in any country I'm in as long as the odds are not stacked too much against me.
1 drunken ajeossi trying it on will get what he gives......2 or more strong and sober looking guys and I'm offski!! |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:49 am Post subject: |
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I'm always amused by the juxtaposition of words with negative and positive connotations. It really highlights the lack of cultural and linguistic knowledge of the speaker.
If you don't speak Korean then stick to the what you know. Say "A racist Korean guy".
I would be hard pressed to hear 인종차별 아저씨 spoken by a Korean. 사람? Yes. Want to lower it a little? Go with 자. Really pissed? Then 놈 will work nicely. But 인종차별 아저씨 just sounds stupid and I know you don't want to do that, do you?
/rant
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
I'm always amused by the juxtaposition of words with negative and positive connotations. It really highlights the lack of cultural and linguistic knowledge of the speaker.
If you don't speak Korean then stick to the what you know. Say "A racist Korean guy".
I would be hard pressed to hear 인종차별 아저씨 spoken by a Korean. 사람? Yes. Want to lower it a little? Go with 자. Really pissed? Then 놈 will work nicely. But 인종차별 아저씨 just sounds stupid and I know you don't want to do that, do you?
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Eh, it's just shorthand among us waygook that helps us to understand the story a little better. "Guy" is too vague, for example. It's no different from the screeds of English that has been re-appropriated for use in Korea.
So in other words, just let it go. I'm always amazed at what people like to get stressed over. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
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I'm always amused by the juxtaposition of words with negative and positive connotations. It really highlights the lack of cultural and linguistic knowledge of the speaker.
If you don't speak Korean then stick to the what you know. Say "A racist Korean guy".
I would be hard pressed to hear 인종차별 아저씨 spoken by a Korean. 사람? Yes. Want to lower it a little? Go with 자. Really pissed? Then 놈 will work nicely. But 인종차별 아저씨 just sounds stupid and I know you don't want to do that, do you?
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Eh, it's just shorthand among us waygook that helps us to understand the story a little better. "Guy" is too vague, for example. It's no different from the screeds of English that has been re-appropriated for use in Korea.
So in other words, just let it go. I'm always amazed at what people like to get stressed over. |
/facepalm
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:28 am Post subject: |
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There may have been a hint of purpose in my selection of that particular word.  |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
Dirty looks, sweary mutterings, and general sucking of air through teeth-style stuff I can always walk away from........albeit with a good hard look in the eye to show him he hasn't intimidated me.
But any bodily contact will be met with equal force.
I won't be bullied in any country I'm in as long as the odds are not stacked too much against me.
1 drunken ajeossi trying it on will get what he gives......2 or more strong and sober looking guys and I'm offski!! |
And that's the whole point. If you behave like a gentleman, nothing will ever happen to you. I've lived in Korea for 19 years, and none of these terrible things have ever happened to me. Why? Because I wear a suit everywhere.
Even when I go to the Jimjilbong. They always let me in. I also wear an adjoshi hat and thick plastic black glasses. People in masks cannot be trusted.
No one bothers me, because I have the aggresive wolf-stare which they don't have.
No one is going to attack you with fists unless you react badly to their attitude. Just ignore the insults, the only thing words can do is hurt your pride. Lose the pride, because in the big scheme of life, pride is nothing compared to compassion and love. Don't be the fool. You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Korean when ego and 'age-pride' are on the line.
Be the love. Be the wolf. Find your balance. And if you cannot do that, use iocane powder. It is
odorless, tasteless, dissolves instantly in liquid, and is among the more deadly poisons known to man. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
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I'm always amused by the juxtaposition of words with negative and positive connotations. It really highlights the lack of cultural and linguistic knowledge of the speaker.
If you don't speak Korean then stick to the what you know. Say "A racist Korean guy".
I would be hard pressed to hear 인종차별 아저씨 spoken by a Korean. 사람? Yes. Want to lower it a little? Go with 자. Really pissed? Then 놈 will work nicely. But 인종차별 아저씨 just sounds stupid and I know you don't want to do that, do you?
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Eh, it's just shorthand among us waygook that helps us to understand the story a little better. "Guy" is too vague, for example. It's no different from the screeds of English that has been re-appropriated for use in Korea.
So in other words, just let it go. I'm always amazed at what people like to get stressed over. |
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You are correct. In the Korean language foreigners are not called waygooks. But guess what. That post wasn't written in Korean. It was written in English and "waygook" is a slang term used by English speakers. So get over it already. |
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s.tickbeat
Joined: 21 Feb 2010
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:51 am Post subject: |
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1. Inequality and intolerance are unjustified anywhere, in every circumstance.
2. I may be in Korea, but that doesn't mean that I have to lay down and accept the racism/sexism/etc. that I deal with every day. We should - and have a responsibility to - fight it, and make it clear that the behavior is unacceptable. Sometimes, not even peacefully.
3. I may be a foreigner in Korea, but that doesn't mean I'm void of responsibility. Learn Korean. Enjoy Korean food. Participate in or observe Korean art, theater, and dance. Travel and learn about the place - when you're a guest in someone's home do you sit in the corner and sulk? If you do, then it's no wonder that they don't like you. Specifically.
Mostly I've had to deal with ageist or sexist crap, but there have been a few encounters with racist d-bags. Speaking a few choice words in Korean works wonders. So does flashing the middle finger. And once I actually did just smack an ajosshi in the mouth. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| When I go up close to him others from my team had run up and were splitting it up. Good thing too because the guy wasn't backing down. |
Because he knew he had support around him and would never want to lose face by backing down in front of others. Doesn't mean he's a UFC fighter or something. But whether he's tough or not, how you let it go beyond "Yankee Fu*k" is beyond me.
Because he wasn't called out on that, he kept upping the ante. Sometimes ignoring things is NOT the best way to handle it. Your team would have backed you up, but because you didn't make an issue of it, they maybe assumed it wasn't a big deal to you. Trust me, if you did that to a Korean, they'd throw a hissy immediately. So why is it ok for them to do it to you? Because you are simply a "guest" in the country? BS.
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| Other than that time I just let it go and don't usually think about it. I think that the only reason i got that annoyed that time was because I was tired and when your playing a fast paced sport sometimes you just do something before thinking about it. I actually felt a little embarrassed when I was at school the next Monday. |
You felt embarrassed that you stood up to verbal and physical abuse? Hmm...If anything you should be embarrassed you took the abuse as long as you did. Some say pride kills, but come on, you need at least a little pride.
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Furthermore foreigners in my home country get far worse a time than I have here. (Okay im white so i get it easy compared to other races) |
Doesn't matter what color you are, some behavior is not acceptable. Flip the script (races), is the same behavior acceptable? No. Oh, you're white... so because someone, somewhere has had it tougher at sometime that means you've gotta just bend over and take any treatment?
Sorry to come off so harsh, but it's for your own good. Grow some backbone, you'll be better off next time. Don't let others walk on you until you snap. There's gotta be some middle ground between an arrogant tough guy and a doormat. It's not either or.
As far as an ajosshi saying "Aiish!" It's not nice but it's easy to walk away from. It's happened to me a couple times and both times was beyond pathetic so it really didn't phase me. I get along well with most older Koreans though so I'm not stressed about a few random bad apples. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:27 am Post subject: |
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So does flashing the middle finger. And once I actually did just smack an ajosshi in the mouth. |
You can die slowly, cut into a thousand pieces. In the fire swamp. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| s.tickbeat wrote: |
| Participate in or observe Korean art......and dance.. |
Yes, doing korean dancing is essential. |
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