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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| As for other criminals, if you look Korean you don't get checked because you're all of the same blood. |
So my having to submit a CBC was a figment of my imagination? |
What's your visa status, SR? |
F-4.
I still had to do a CBC and blood test for my school.
A few Ko-Am friends of mine are on E-2s and they went through the whole rigamarole.
Im tired of this fable that overseas Koreans don't have to submit CBCs and such. It all depends on the circumstances. Just as not all foreigners have to do CBCs and drug tests. |
I'm on an F4 and since 2007 I've had to submit Healthcheck + CBC every single year I've had a teaching job.
GEPIK required it. SMOE required it. Gangnam POE required it. My visa status did not exempt me. Contrary to the rumors that fly around. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| And didn't this killer leave in 2009? |
Well, he was dating her in 2009, and he killed her in 2009. As far as we understand, he would have had to have had his background check done in late 2008, I'm assuming. \He taught in Korea for 8 years or so before leaving. There were background checks for Canadians back in 2008 just as there were for other nationalities. He was 36 years old roughly when this happened, and she was 21. It's unusual for a Korean girl, let alone a foreign girl, to date someone who is that much older. It's very unusual in Korea in the 21st century. I guess he came to Korea when he was 27.
We don't know happened to this guy to where he snapped, or if he was like that when he was around 27 and came to South Korea. Had he committed a crime in Canada, it would have shown up. I know you can obtain a pardon, but that's not easy if you're overseas. If a serious offense has been committed, you have to wait 10 years to be eligible. If it's not, it could take 5 years.
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120117001020
I feel bad for the Korean girl who lost her life, and for the man's family because they have to face that they have a son who ended a young girl's life.
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| As for other criminals, if you look Korean you don't get checked because you're all of the same blood. |
So my having to submit a CBC was a figment of my imagination? |
What's your visa status, SR? |
F-4.
I still had to do a CBC and blood test for my school.
A few Ko-Am friends of mine are on E-2s and they went through the whole rigamarole.
Im tired of this fable that overseas Koreans don't have to submit CBCs and such. It all depends on the circumstances. Just as not all foreigners have to do CBCs and drug tests. |
I'm on an F4 and since 2007 I've had to submit Healthcheck + CBC every single year I've had a teaching job.
GEPIK required it. SMOE required it. Gangnam POE required it. My visa status did not exempt me. Contrary to the rumors that fly around. |
Would you or Steel have needed to submit it if you worked at a hagwon? You're both in the public system, right? They also require annual health checks for all foreigners (hell, even Korean teachers, but no HIV test) unlike hagwons where you only need your initial check.
Also, yeah, pretty significant age gap between the two - 15 or so years. You don't see that too often in Korean-Foreign relationships. Wonder what was really going on. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Horrific crime. Family losing a daughter. Sometimes these thugs are just brutal violent rednecks, the mental illness ploy can help in the court room. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| It should be interesting to find out more details on the case. I figure it is a very rare expat who decides to kill a native in Asia. |
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FDNY
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| It should be interesting to find out more details on the case. I figure it is a very rare expat who decides to kill a native in Asia. |
People get scragged all the time. I think it is rarer that he got 100% away with the crime and then decided to return. Both the crime and his subsequent return sound like the actions of someone suffering a mental illness to me. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Quite a few nutters on here too. Any Canadians gone missing from the forum recently?
Appears he worked at a university, if he was on an E1 would he have had any kind of CRB? Didn't swirly face pedo work on an E1? |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Im tired of this fable that overseas Koreans don't have to submit CBCs and such. It all depends on the circumstances. Just as not all foreigners have to do CBCs and drug tests. |
Yeah, it depends on the circumstances, but it's not always a fable either.
Just a couple of years ago we worked with two of them that didn't while the rest of us did have to. They both talked about former convictions they had and laughed at us for having to get the CBC's.
Crap like that gets the ball rolling... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Would you or Steel have needed to submit it if you worked at a hagwon? |
Depends on the hagwon owner. And there are non-Koreans who have non-E-2 visas who don't have to submit that stuff either. Some of them own the hagwon even and employ E-2s!. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Would you or Steel have needed to submit it if you worked at a hagwon? |
Depends on the hagwon owner. And there are non-Koreans who have non-E-2 visas who don't have to submit that stuff either. Some of them own the hagwon even and employ E-2s!. |
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Shock is spreading after police caught a person wanted for first-degree murder who had been working openly as a hagwon instructor in Korea. The Gyeonggi-do Provincial Police Department announced on the 19th that it had arrested the 31-year old Nam for murder at the request of the FBI. According to police, on August 16th, 1996, Nam and three accomplices broke into a home in Pennsylvania, killing a retired police officer and stealing a gun. But Nam paid the bail of $1 million and was given an electronic monitoring bracelet and confined to his home, but was released the following year and fled to Korea on March 13th. Police received the FBI�s information and request for help in 1998 and began an investigation, arresting him on March 4th, 1999 but as Korea and the United States did not then have an extradition treaty in place Nam was released. It was through that incident that an extradition treaty was concluded on December 20th, 1999, and a task force was created which search through areas with high concentrations of foreigners or hagwons, finding his fingerprints in the trash of an apartment complex in Gwangju, Gyeonggi-do. He was soon arrested. Investigators discovered that he was working as a hagwon instructor teaching English in the countryside near Gwangju in Gyeonggi-do. There has been shock over the revelation that a man wanted for first-degree murder by the FBI was teaching English in our country to elementary, middle, and high school students. Police announced that they plan to hand Nam over the United States at that country�s request.
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22385/american-hagwon-teacher-arrested-for-murder/ |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Would you or Steel have needed to submit it if you worked at a hagwon? |
Depends on the hagwon owner. And there are non-Koreans who have non-E-2 visas who don't have to submit that stuff either. Some of them own the hagwon even and employ E-2s!. |
Ah Yes...
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Shock is spreading after police caught a person wanted for first-degree murder who had been working openly as a hagwon instructor in Korea. The Gyeonggi-do Provincial Police Department announced on the 19th that it had arrested the 31-year old Nam for murder at the request of the FBI. According to police, on August 16th, 1996, Nam and three accomplices broke into a home in Pennsylvania, killing a retired police officer and stealing a gun. But Nam paid the bail of $1 million and was given an electronic monitoring bracelet and confined to his home, but was released the following year and fled to Korea on March 13th. Police received the FBI�s information and request for help in 1998 and began an investigation, arresting him on March 4th, 1999 but as Korea and the United States did not then have an extradition treaty in place Nam was released. It was through that incident that an extradition treaty was concluded on December 20th, 1999, and a task force was created which search through areas with high concentrations of foreigners or hagwons, finding his fingerprints in the trash of an apartment complex in Gwangju, Gyeonggi-do. He was soon arrested. Investigators discovered that he was working as a hagwon instructor teaching English in the countryside near Gwangju in Gyeonggi-do. There has been shock over the revelation that a man wanted for first-degree murder by the FBI was teaching English in our country to elementary, middle, and high school students. Police announced that they plan to hand Nam over the United States at that country�s request.
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22385/american-hagwon-teacher-arrested-for-murder/ |
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Yes, Korean-Americans can be criminal hagwon owners.
So can a German-American in Korea on an F-2.
That story is just an example, not a rule. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| You guys are taking a lot of shots in the dark. Truth is, we can't really know exactly what happened and all you're all doing is crafting baseless accusations. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
Quite a few nutters on here too. Any Canadians gone missing from the forum recently?
Appears he worked at a university, if he was on an E1 would he have had any kind of CRB? Didn't swirly face pedo work on an E1? |
No. Neil was working as an English teacher (E2) in the city of Gwangju, South Korea at the time but fled (with a one-way ticket) to Thailand once he was publicly identified.
He had NO FILE in Canada. He would have passed the CBC requirement with flying colors. His crimes were committed in SE Asia (Thailand, Vietnam and Cambodia).
He is currently serving a sentence in Thailand and will be extradited to Vietnam on conclusion of his sentence in a Thai prison.
David Nam, the case mentioned by Julius, was concluded with his return to the US in 2008 and subsequent conviction for murder ; sentenced to life without parole. He worked as an English teacher here (Gyeonggi province) for almost 10 years.
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I think the E1 visa pervert was this strange Daejeon guy. He was accused years ago of some sort of inappropriate comments with a young student in the US. But he had a web page up explaining his opinion of that and other stuff. He was able to skirt the law for a little while but he caught called out on his past.I think he just disappeared
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/01/12/convicted-american-child-molestor-teaching-as-professor-in-daejeon-cbs/
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As to the wait of when things will go strange. I say with in about a year we will see something.
I can see either
A) a psychological exam include with visa application.
B) Psychological testing with health check (done in under 2 minutes).
C) Banning all psychological problem people. Now all mild manic depressives and ADD people will be refused and or deported.
D) A report and notice that all English teachers will need to submit a psychological test in the next couple of months. Whether administered by a certified psychologist or by a pen and paper test at immigration is the question. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Or, ban foreigners from going near rivers. |
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