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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Clearly the way to handle this is to get them to request your Password in writing with a signature and a company letterhead on the form. THEN promptly inform them of facebook's TOS and relevant law. Then inform them that if you are not hired you will take that to mean that it was because you refused to violate federal law and will have a lawsuit pending, one which given its nature, will likely make the press.
Hopefully management will appreciate your hardball style and fast-track you for promotion.
On a related note, this is only a problem because idiots out there continue to take photos of people who are drunk (I personally hate people who constantly take photos) and then compound the problem by posting and tagging people. Sudden brainstorm- That's idiotic! |
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roguefishfood
Joined: 21 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the terms of service
"You will not share your password, (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account."
"You will not transfer your account (including any page or application you administer) to anyone without first getting our written permission."
"You will not transfer any of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent."
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If I were in an interview where this was asked of me, I would quote that from the terms of service and follow up with, "and if you prefer to hire someone who takes signed contracts or service agreements lightly, or disregards them entirely, then I suppose that's your prerogative, but I will not be that person." Bam, suddenly I look scrupulous and they look like jerks. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder how good a job would have to be for me to go along with this. The idea of letting a stranger read years worth of private conversations I've had is awful. I wouldn't want to work for that company |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| roguefishfood wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
Here's the terms of service
"You will not share your password, (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account."
"You will not transfer your account (including any page or application you administer) to anyone without first getting our written permission."
"You will not transfer any of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent."
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If I were in an interview where this was asked of me, I would quote that from the terms of service and follow up with, "and if you prefer to hire someone who takes signed contracts or service agreements lightly, or disregards them entirely, then I suppose that's your prerogative, but I will not be that person." Bam, suddenly I look scrupulous and they look like jerks. |
Then they just ask you to access your account. Once you are there they look at it. That doesn't violate any agreement. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| roguefishfood wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
Here's the terms of service
"You will not share your password, (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account."
"You will not transfer your account (including any page or application you administer) to anyone without first getting our written permission."
"You will not transfer any of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent."
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If I were in an interview where this was asked of me, I would quote that from the terms of service and follow up with, "and if you prefer to hire someone who takes signed contracts or service agreements lightly, or disregards them entirely, then I suppose that's your prerogative, but I will not be that person." Bam, suddenly I look scrupulous and they look like jerks. |
Then they just ask you to access your account. Once you are there they look at it. That doesn't violate any agreement. |
Really? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| roguefishfood wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
Here's the terms of service
"You will not share your password, (or in the case of developers, your secret key), let anyone else access your account, or do anything else that might jeopardize the security of your account."
"You will not transfer your account (including any page or application you administer) to anyone without first getting our written permission."
"You will not transfer any of your rights or obligations under this Statement to anyone else without our consent."
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If I were in an interview where this was asked of me, I would quote that from the terms of service and follow up with, "and if you prefer to hire someone who takes signed contracts or service agreements lightly, or disregards them entirely, then I suppose that's your prerogative, but I will not be that person." Bam, suddenly I look scrupulous and they look like jerks. |
Then they just ask you to access your account. Once you are there they look at it. That doesn't violate any agreement. |
Really? |
They aren't accessing your account YOU are. And I see nowhere in the terms of Agreement that prohibits someone from looking over your shoulder. If a couple of friends come over and one wants to post something on his or her FB are they seriously going to ask everyone else to leave the room while they post...or allow them to see what's going on? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| The way to get around this is again, ask them for the request in writing with a company letterhead and signed, then refuse and when they ask to log into your account and check or anything like that you can again refuse and can infer that because you refused their initial request, their subsequent attempts to work around that are an extension of that initial request and are also invalid. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| The way to get around this is again, ask them for the request in writing with a company letterhead and signed, then refuse and when they ask to log into your account and check or anything like that you can again refuse and can infer that because you refused their initial request, their subsequent attempts to work around that are an extension of that initial request and are also invalid. |
Except that is not really a way to get around this. No one is going to that much trouble to hire some ordinary Joe Blow.
A much more likely scenario is this.
Interviewer: "Can I have your FB password?"
Steelrails: "Sorry, FB TOS prohibits sharing of passwords"
Interviewer" Oh...well would you mind logging in at that terminal then?"
Steelrails: "Can I have that request in writing and signed please?"
Interviewer: "  .... Well... it was nice meeting you Mr. Steelrails. Have a nice day." |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| The way to get around this is again, ask them for the request in writing with a company letterhead and signed, then refuse and when they ask to log into your account and check or anything like that you can again refuse and can infer that because you refused their initial request, their subsequent attempts to work around that are an extension of that initial request and are also invalid. |
Except that is not really a way to get around this. No one is going to that much trouble to hire some ordinary Joe Blow.
A much more likely scenario is this.
Interviewer: "Can I have your FB password?"
Steelrails: "Sorry, FB TOS prohibits sharing of passwords"
Interviewer" Oh...well would you mind logging in at that terminal then?"
Steelrails: "Can I have that request in writing and signed please?"
Interviewer: " .... Well... it was nice meeting you Mr. Steelrails. Have a nice day." |
And then you say, hold on a second, let me call my lawyer.  |
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Marc Ravalomanana
Joined: 15 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| What if you don't have a Facebook account? Is it just flat-out impossible to land a job anymore without one? |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:20 am Post subject: |
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while there's been several stories recently in the American press covering this topic, including reports of various states and other govt entities initiating lawsuits to prevent employers demanding access to FB accounts, here's a new story regarding a teacher's aide who was fired after refusing to hand over her FB info:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/01/kimberly-hester-michigan-_n_1394880.html
the comments are also definitely worth a read, including this one:
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| FB settings seem to be a science one has to master. I heard they are complicated as hell. I have been asked by a potential employer to "log on my FB" . I told them immediately that I do not have an account on there but I'd gladly use their company's FB account to get acquainted with their network. I could sense a little aggressivity even though I wasn't being facetious. They followed with " if you get hired you might need an account as all our employes follow us and recommend us on FB" , that's where it got sticky. We are in trouble. |
I'm curious as to whether this is pretty much an American issue or is this also occuring in other countries? China outright bans FB, but what about other Western countries? anyone here know of similar situations as the one being discussed in this thread? |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
claiming this has anything at all to do with security is absurd. Security checks have been done for years, long before FB ever came along and continue to be done with or without an applicant's knowledge. most applications ask one to sign permission for these to be done, and it may or may not be done before the applicant is hired, sometimes after.
it's quite clearly an invasion into people's private lives, wanting to see what they do on their personal time and if that jives with whatever plastic image the compay is seeking to portray itself as.
seriously, if you were in a position where you wanted to hire people that for whatever reason, needed to have proper security clearance, is FB the place you would start? (maybe in this day and age it is) then can you hold people accountable for whoever might show up as a "friend" on their profile?
also anyone who knew they had something to hide would set up a dummy profile, which would only raise suspicions, considering how easy it would be to do.
then what, because you have more than one profile and didn't provide all the information to your prospective employer?
I think it's safe to say that anyone who has a profile on FB might expect their bosses or similar individuals to attempt to look them up; however, there is a distinct difference in someone cruising FB looking for someone and demanding log on and pwd information at a job interview.
it's just so wrong in so many ways. who thinks up this crap anyway? |
+10 points to Gryffindor.
The two scariest things that I've learned from all this is that companies (and they are following the government's lead) are now getting so emboldened that they can ask for this stuff in an interview. We've graduated from the criminal background and piss in a bottle test to this.
I truly and honestlly believe anyone who wants this stuff is not focused on illegal activity but wanting to glimpse into your personal life. There are tons of legal but otherwise socially deemed weird, kinky, embarassing, etc. sh*t many people do and that has no bearing on their work but we keep it to ourselves or to our very closest friends.
What is the most scariest of all is the lack of outrage over it on this forum by so many folks and perhaps others who didn't post but were lurking. Sad day for America where so many people have just given up any semblence of expectation for their civil liberties and privacy.
We traded security for privacy after 911 and we're now doing it for employment. Its essentially what it is. You trade your privacy for employment.
No wonder the country is in the state its in. The masses have given up through apathy or ignorance.
Sad. Pathetic and sad. We no longer live in a free and fair Repubic. Many of us think we do but the America you believe exists ended at least a decade ago and probably longer than that. |
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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sad day for America where so many people have just given up any semblence of expectation for their civil liberties and privacy.
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I usually think that sentiments like this are overused and exaggerated, but I have to agree with it in this situation.
This is your private life. What right does anyone else have to it without just cause?
I have nothing to hide, and I would understand if a potential employer checked out my public page and if they saw something questionable, ask about it. But to just let them have uninhibited access to my personal life is absurd.
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I also think that it's funny that some of the people who don't think this is such a big deal suggest opening up multiple and/or dummy accounts. How is that not a gaping logical error? |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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The Sultan of Seoul
Joined: 17 Apr 2012
Location: right... behind.. YOU
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
It really does depend on the job. I don't see how hard it is to make a fake facebook profile before starting the job search. Be prepared. Sheesh.
I knew about this years ago. My profile is clean. Do I like this policy? Of course not. That doesn't mean that there aren't workarounds. If your resumes use the same email, change your resume or change your facebook login email. Is that so difficult? A second account isn't that hard to make. |
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Did you miss what she said?
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if that's too difficult, set up a second profile with the email that you use for job interviews.
This kills two birds with one stone. Not only do you keep your privacy but you get a job you want. |
Jeez, that's NOT the issue. The issue is the degree to which - if practices like this become accepted by people - fredoms will start to be eroded.
For an employer to demand this level of obsequity and privacy invasion is in my book literally an echo of serfdom.
You'd have to be an utter patsy to agree to crud like this. |
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