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DIsbell
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| This is Korea, not some Libertarian fantasy land where government doing anything outside of having a military is considered "inappropriate" or morally wrong. There's nothing inappropriate about elected officials regulating commerce; if the citizens don't like it they can vote accordingly. |
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motiontodismiss
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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People's gripe with this is, politicians are blatantly pandering to small businesses, and at the expense of convenience to others. Is protecting small/local businesses a laudable cause? I think so. But, doing so shouldn't come as a detriment to consumers nor the larger stores.
Is it even a big deal that some stores are closed a few days a month? No. But that's not really the point. The point is the government is interfering in an inappropriate way, which is a big deal. |
Unfortunately it does nothing to protect small businesses. People will go to the megamart a day later or earlier. If small businesses want to take business from the megamarts, they need to make their offerings more attractive.
This is what happens when you have politicians who failed in just about every other arena in office combined with civil servants who are guaranteed tenure for passing a multiple choice test on some inane topic that doesn't measure their competence and have no work experience anywhere they're actually held accountable for their (in)competence, combined with the special Korean culture of ass-kissing.
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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| This is Korea, not some Libertarian fantasy land where government doing anything outside of having a military is considered "inappropriate" or morally wrong. There's nothing inappropriate about elected officials regulating commerce; if the citizens don't like it they can vote accordingly. |
Excellent retort. I can see you mastered public discussion. Have you considered politics as a future career? |
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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
Unfortunately it does nothing to protect small businesses. People will go to the megamart a day later or earlier. If small businesses want to take business from the megamarts, they need to make their offerings more attractive. |
Yes, I agree.
But I think it's such a visual act, that incumbents can point to it regardless of its actual benefit. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Patrick Bateman wrote: |
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Unfortunately it does nothing to protect small businesses. People will go to the megamart a day later or earlier. If small businesses want to take business from the megamarts, they need to make their offerings more attractive. |
Yes, I agree.
But I think it's such a visual act, that incumbents can point to it regardless of its actual benefit. |
I believe that if you're incompetent or you don't know what you're doing, you should just do nothing. But people go for the guy that did something even though it does nothing to solve the problem at hand and just costs money.  |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| There's nothing inappropriate about elected officials regulating commerce |
There is if regulating commerce means implementing bad policy. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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This is what happens when you have politicians who failed in just about every other arena in office combined with civil servants who are guaranteed tenure for passing a multiple choice test on some inane topic that doesn't measure their competence and have no work experience anywhere they're actually held accountable for their (in)competence, combined with the special Korean culture of ass-kissing. |
You're a couple years out of date.
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2010/08/23/south-korea-civil-service-exams-removed-years-of-studies-wasted/
And civil servant exams are common the world over, yes even back in the West. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| motiontodismiss wrote: |
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This is what happens when you have politicians who failed in just about every other arena in office combined with civil servants who are guaranteed tenure for passing a multiple choice test on some inane topic that doesn't measure their competence and have no work experience anywhere they're actually held accountable for their (in)competence, combined with the special Korean culture of ass-kissing. |
You're a couple years out of date.
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2010/08/23/south-korea-civil-service-exams-removed-years-of-studies-wasted/
And civil servant exams are common the world over, yes even back in the West. |
No, the civil service exams are still around. Just go to Sillimdong and Noryangjin. If they were gone all the civil service exam hagwons over there would have gone belly up.
There are systems in place now to hire experienced people without the exams, but they're still around. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| This is Korea, not some Libertarian fantasy land where government doing anything outside of having a military is considered "inappropriate" or morally wrong. There's nothing inappropriate about elected officials regulating commerce; if the citizens don't like it they can vote accordingly. |
The funny thing is, the citizens had nothing to do with this policy and there are a tons of Koreans who think it was a retarded idea to begin with. You must live in a fantasy land where every political move is approved by the people. |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Patrick Bateman wrote: |
| DIsbell wrote: |
| This is Korea, not some Libertarian fantasy land where government doing anything outside of having a military is considered "inappropriate" or morally wrong. There's nothing inappropriate about elected officials regulating commerce; if the citizens don't like it they can vote accordingly. |
Excellent retort. I can see you mastered public discussion. Have you considered politics as a future career? |
Would it make you feel better if I said "Reality" instead of "Korea"? The fact is Korea has never been some sort of unfettered capitalist utopia and has, on the contrary, relied on heavy state intervention and planning in it's rise to the developed world. Virtually every successful country regulates markets and businesses.
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| DIsbell wrote: |
| This is Korea, not some Libertarian fantasy land where government doing anything outside of having a military is considered "inappropriate" or morally wrong. There's nothing inappropriate about elected officials regulating commerce; if the citizens don't like it they can vote accordingly. |
The funny thing is, the citizens had nothing to do with this policy and there are a tons of Koreans who think it was a retarded idea to begin with. You must live in a fantasy land where every political move is approved by the people. |
Yeah, representative government is a fantasy. Or as I prefer to call it, the OECD.
Like I said, if it really bothers people, enough of them can vote out those who instituted the ordinance. But let's not pretend it's some insane abuse of power that is legally invalid. |
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Patrick Bateman
Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: Lost in Translation
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| DIsbell wrote: |
Would it make you feel better if I said "Reality" instead of "Korea"? The fact is Korea has never been some sort of unfettered capitalist utopia and has, on the contrary, relied on heavy state intervention and planning in it's rise to the developed world. Virtually every successful country regulates markets and businesses.
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No, because even aside from that, the core of your argument doesn't make sense in reply to my post.
I never said it was inappropriate, and I especially never said it was "morally wrong", for government to become involved in commerce. Actually I made it clear I was in support of some government involvement.
I said this specific policy is an inappropriate one. Yet, somehow that makes me a citizen of a Libertarian fantasy land.
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Like I said, if it really bothers people, enough of them can vote out those who instituted the ordinance. |
You're proposing this is how things should operate? |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I never said it was inappropriate, and I especially never said it was "morally wrong", for government to become involved in commerce. Actually I made it clear I was in support of some government involvement.
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Any involvement by an incompetent and corrupt government is always inappropriate.
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DaeguKid
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Personally, I hate Costco. If this move puts extra cash into the mom and pop retailers across this country, I am all for it. For me Costco represents glutony at its finest. Buying crap, and too much of it, that one does not need. |
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alongway
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| Personally, I hate Costco. If this move puts extra cash into the mom and pop retailers across this country, I am all for it. For me Costco represents glutony at its finest. Buying crap, and too much of it, that one does not need. |
Yes. Damn those rich gluttons and their cheap milk, diapers and lettuce.
Who could ever need those things?
Have you ever actually set foot in a costco? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Like I said, if it really bothers people, enough of them can vote out those who instituted the ordinance. But let's not pretend it's some insane abuse of power that is legally invalid. |
Who was saying that it was? Regardless of how you put it, you can't deny this policy was simply put, stupid. It's gonna fix anything if I vote for another guy who ends up making decisions just as dumb. Which seems to be a problem among politicians. |
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