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fermentation
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I read today that the mental health check will start with a questionnaire, then if you fail that part you must go in for a regular psych exam. I did think it would be logistically impossible 50 million people to meet with headshrinkers.
However, it seems this plan has the usual "wtf?" we have come to expect from bureaucracy here. Each person will have to complete the mental health questionnaire twice BEFORE starting elementary school, twice while in elementary school, once in middle school, once in high school, three times in their twenties, and twice every ten years after that.
How does a five year old gauge his mental health? |
It's just another attempt to get a quick easy fix to a complicated issue that requires a long term solution. That's exactly how governments work. There's a lot of opposition from experts in the field so I hope this thing doesn't work out. There's an article written by a Seoul Univ Hospital doctor that basically explains that depression and suicide is a complicated issue that has its roots in society and culture, and we must start by looking at that first. It's pretty obvious stuff to anybody who has a brain, or isn't a politician. |
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slothrop
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Call a suicide prevention hot line sometime; they won't yell at you carpe diem and quit your job. Then again maybe they're on big pharma's payroll too.
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if the reason you want to kill yourself is your job then maybe they should suggest you quit it.
if 10% of americans take antidepressants and other countries have much lower percentages, then do you think that americans are really that much more depressed than those other nationalities? or that those other countries aren't as good as diagnosing mental illness? is it possible that some people in the US are pushing for expanding those who are considered mentally ill because it means bigger profits? if there was no profit motive then i would have to reconsider. you know there are farmers in the US who don't let their families eat the crops they grow to sell to the public right? they keep a separate plot to raise organic vegetables for their family to eat. don't you think there are psychatrists and doctors who do the same thing? prescibe meds to patients because thats their job and how they make money but if it was their own child would only consider it as a last resort? doctors are just people, man, they aren't saints. and politicians and CEO's of pharmaceutical companies are on the same level mentally as psychopaths. LOL according to the book 'the psychopath test'. |
Most other countries are far behind the curve on mental health. Health insurance for psychiatric health is usually limited or doesn't cover the medicine unlike the USA.
Yes, psychiatrists and psychology also take pills or visit other doctors. I've met quite a few doctors who admitted this. It's certainly not unusual.... "last resort" lol, When your prescribed pills, there is a test phase to see if you like it. Pills don't cause irreversible damage.
Have you even met a suicidal person?!?
Contrary to popular belief, they don't go around announcing it before hand, planning elaborate death strategies like jumping off cliffs, and leaving 50 notes behind.
Can you please read up on Suicide? You keep qouting the psychopath test book.....how about a suicide prevention book(crazy eh?) |
no i don't know anyone who comitted suicide. and since you obviously do that means you must understand the causes of it in all it's forms. thank goodness there are people out there like you who understand that some people are "normal" and some are "unstable" apriori and that "unstable" people can be fixed by medication and the people who make it and prescribe it have our best interest at heart and not profits. please let me know if you also lost someone in the iraq war so that i don't offend you or do anyone with a relative that died there a disservice by questioning the sincerity or motives of the people who started it.
i guess i'd better stop writing or having an opinion on this subject as i don't want to be responsible for someone jumping off a building because i suggested that if they see no point to living they could always change their life and try living a different way. that was very foolish of me. of course the only thing that can save the world from depression is pills.
i'll bow out now. |
Suicide? I knew a few....I'd say taking psych classes helped me understand a bit more about it. I had a professor who's job it was to talk those people out of suicide.
It's just that your opinion is rather un-informed or based on the un-proven belief that some pharmaceutical industrial complex has an unholy alliance with the "evil" league of psychiatrists to misdiagnose millions of Americans for profits. That's a pretty big accusation questioning the integrity of our medical professions.
Perhaps you'd like to link me to some evidence showing that doctors receive comps for diagnosing x number of conditions per year. Pharma companies give docs free vacations does not equal false diagnoses.
Perhaps the cancer industry is a scam too! Those cancer victims really just had weak bodies and were gonna die anyway. Big evil pharma has a cure and is hiding it for profits.
I've heard this conspiracy garbage before...evidence please?! |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
I read today that the mental health check will start with a questionnaire, then if you fail that part you must go in for a regular psych exam. I did think it would be logistically impossible 50 million people to meet with headshrinkers.
However, it seems this plan has the usual "wtf?" we have come to expect from bureaucracy here. Each person will have to complete the mental health questionnaire twice BEFORE starting elementary school, twice while in elementary school, once in middle school, once in high school, three times in their twenties, and twice every ten years after that.
How does a five year old gauge his mental health? |
It's just another attempt to get a quick easy fix to a complicated issue that requires a long term solution. That's exactly how governments work. There's a lot of opposition from experts in the field so I hope this thing doesn't work out. There's an article written by a Seoul Univ Hospital doctor that basically explains that depression and suicide is a complicated issue that has its roots in society and culture, and we must start by looking at that first. It's pretty obvious stuff to anybody who has a brain, or isn't a politician. |
Calling for "long-term solutions" is just a way of avoiding the problem. What exactly is "looking at society and culture" going to accomplish? How, for example, has all the research done on educational reform in Korea, and man there's a ton of it, reformed education in Korea? The problems there're busy studying are just getting worse.
As for others who say it's the government in cahoots with the pharmaceutical industry, I doubt it, since government health care is already feeling budget pressure which will only grow worse due to demographics. |
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