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chickenpie
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
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| Based on the admittedly limited information that I'm privy to, the girls who work in room salons undergo pretty strict checks regarding age and health. |
Any link to these checks you've heard about? A Korean link is no problem. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Fancini, I'm not saying you're wrong in the least, as I don't know, but I'm a bit skeptical that what is technically an illegal industry would be well-regulated across the board. |
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K1020
Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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The school was totally unaware of the fact that this instructor habitually took drugs.
School official: "He did a good job, I totally did not expect this." (http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2012/07/drug-testing-for-foreign-teachers-to.html) |
This sound like one bad dude.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
| it looks like hair and random testing may be coming |
I'm all for it. Anything Korea can do to be more selective is a good thing.
Next up, please make a TEFL an E2 requirement. |
LOL, yeah because kim Min soo the 9 year old kid who ddong chims you every day coming into class really wants to learn! |
Yes, because every student you teach is like MinSoo.
I do teach kids that want to learn and they deserve good teaching.
That being said, I'm not perfect and on more than one occasion have been a bit hungover from the previous night's company dinner.
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| I would bet it's the media and cops jacking up the cost to make it more sensational (if it's known it's only a worth a couple hundred total, the population might start questioning why it's so 'evil'). I honestly can't imagine a foreigner ever paying that. |
Alcohol and spontaneity can make you stupid.
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| Do they really think that droves of people love the idea of living in Korea enough that they can make it a six month long hassle in order to come over? |
You know if NETs themselves are operating under the mindset that everyone back home smokes weed and that heavy regulations would deter people from coming, can you really blame the Koreans for thinking we all smoke weed?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again- somewhere in the primordial ESL ooze, some NET during a conversation class went on a schpiel about how "back home everyone smokes and its no big deal", that germinated into what we have today.
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| I doubt they'd put this into place if not solely because of the cost and having to get the equipment and everything to do it, and then getting that equipment to be in at least one hospital in every city... |
What's clear here is that instead of arguing about this, we need to get a drug testing kit operation going here. Have random tests. 25,000 units, 4 times a year, at 200% markup per unit? Why teach ESL when you can make money off of the ESLers? |
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SoylaMBPolymath
Joined: 21 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
| it looks like hair and random testing may be coming |
I'm all for it. Anything Korea can do to be more selective is a good thing.
Next up, please make a TEFL an E2 requirement. |
As someone currently acquiring their TEFL certification, I feel confident in professing that it is teaching me...nothing about teaching.
But if selectivity is your aim, how about a multiple choice test on grammar, spelling, and an essay requirement for an E-2? Or maybe the simple requirement that a prospective teacher know how to use they're, their, there, your, and you're correctly? Or that they know how to spell "definitely"?
Ever seen the questions asked on the essay portion of the All Souls College exam given to Oxford University graduates? Maybe Kimmi can throw in a few of those. After all, we are expected to endow these students with English abilities which will prepare them for Oxford and the Ivy League...right? Right?
Also, whoever was paying this fool's prices for his smoke was off their rocker. It couldn't have possibly been that good. No way, no how. *sigh* I miss The Green. It did far less damage to my system than soju and copious amounts of crappy beer. I'm sure it would make Korean television a lot more entertaining. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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The school was totally unaware of the fact that this instructor habitually took drugs.
School official: "He did a good job, I totally did not expect this." (http://populargusts.blogspot.kr/2012/07/drug-testing-for-foreign-teachers-to.html) |
This sound like one bad dude. |
It seems that comments like this one come out every time something like this happens. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| As far as I know, all public school teachers (both Korean and foreign) are tested, but no such regulation exists for Korean teachers working in non-public institutions. |
Korean public school teachers are subjected to mandatory health check ups. I know, I did the generic teacher health check up by mistake a few years back. It neither checked me for drug use nor for AIDs. I had to go back and get checked for those. Going into my sixth year in Korean public school, I still have to make sure to specify to the health check people that I am to be tested for drug use and AIDs while my Korean co-workers certainly do not.
My friend who has been in Korea for something like 18 years, is married to a Korean, on an F-something visa and running his own hagwon was recently contacted by immigration and had to get a health/drug/AIDs check up (and an FBI background check.) His Korean wife who also runs that very same hagwon was required to do nothing.
The last time I left the country was three years ago for a vacation in Italy. If they'd checked for pizza use, I'd have been off the charts. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| chickenpie wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Based on the admittedly limited information that I'm privy to, the girls who work in room salons undergo pretty strict checks regarding age and health. |
Any link to these checks you've heard about? A Korean link is no problem. |
Unfortunately not, because I didn't hear about them online. This limited information is based on a conversation I had with a Korean guy that I am fairly close to whose friend used to manage a room salon. I asked him about this very issue, and he was pretty adamant that girls who worked in such places had to be checked. Could be BS I suppose, but I know this guy pretty well and have no reason to doubt him. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Based on the admittedly limited information that I'm privy to, the girls who work in room salons undergo pretty strict checks regarding age and health. |
Any link to these checks you've heard about? A Korean link is no problem. |
Unfortunately not, because I didn't hear about them online. This limited information is based on a conversation I had with a Korean guy that I am fairly close to whose friend used to manage a room salon. I asked him about this very issue, and he was pretty adamant that girls who worked in such places had to be checked. Could be BS I suppose, but I know this guy pretty well and have no reason to doubt him. |
Room salons are not illegal we know that.
but everyone knows why men go there.
to see young girls naked, touch them, and then receive sexual favors.
now this is where it becomes illegal.
giving a BJ is illegal for money.
I don't know why. but it is, and certainly sex is illegal.
which in Korea is called 2nd round.
and this is where the girls make their real money.
the police don't report on all the run away girls, or underage girls caught working the internet cafes, the norebangs, and escort services, because frankly there are just to many and it's a daily occurrence for the police.
it's only when prosecutors, or policeman or politicians are caught in those establishments then it becomes news.
or if a foreigner is caught with a dime bag of weed.
but do you hear about the 10's of thousands of Koreans caught with meth every year? house wives, business men, etc.. the prisons are full with drug offenders, a drug which they call. Hilapong (meth)
Koreans are very selective on what they like to report in the news.
you don't hear about the 2000 murders every year committed by Koreans, or the thousands of rapes , on school children, or women.
Koreans don't like to expose themselves to outside world.
so they keep their crimes quiet so they don't lose face.
but every now and then the statistics get out and the numbers are SHOCKING.
but the news feels like they have to report on a teacher who smoked weed after work
than on serial killers on the loose, or rapists.
back to the room salons. the owners bribe the police and the police turn the other eye.
once the policeman is not paid his fee, that place gets arrested.
every room salon owner knows the drill, so they pay. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Unfortunately not, because I didn't hear about them online. This limited information is based on a conversation I had with a Korean guy that I am fairly close to whose friend used to manage a room salon. I asked him about this very issue, and he was pretty adamant that girls who worked in such places had to be checked. Could be BS I suppose, but I know this guy pretty well and have no reason to doubt him. |
I doubt a guy who runs such a joint would go, "Yeah, I totally use underage girls here." |
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pegasus64128
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Unfortunately not, because I didn't hear about them online. This limited information is based on a conversation I had with a Korean guy that I am fairly close to whose friend used to manage a room salon. I asked him about this very issue, and he was pretty adamant that girls who worked in such places had to be checked. Could be BS I suppose, but I know this guy pretty well and have no reason to doubt him. |
I doubt a guy who runs such a joint would go, "Yeah, I totally use underage girls here." |
yeah. There's a lot of gullible, unsuspecting people here that believe anything they're told - both hangookin and waygookin alike.
A country and it's peoples' honesty can be approximated by the inverse proportion of the number of cars with tinted windows. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| Unfortunately not, because I didn't hear about them online. This limited information is based on a conversation I had with a Korean guy that I am fairly close to whose friend used to manage a room salon. I asked him about this very issue, and he was pretty adamant that girls who worked in such places had to be checked. Could be BS I suppose, but I know this guy pretty well and have no reason to doubt him. |
I doubt a guy who runs such a joint would go, "Yeah, I totally use underage girls here." |
Given that a large number of Korean guys have a penchant for younger females, he actually might!
As I've already acknowledged, it could be BS. It is limited information. The only way to find out for sure would be to go to such a place and see for oneself. But that's probably not very likely to happen. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| As I've already acknowledged, it could be BS. It is limited information. The only way to find out for sure would be to go to such a place and see for oneself. But that's probably not very likely to happen. |
Never been to a room salon but I would sometimes get grabbed by women trying to get me to "have some fun." If anything, they all seemed overage. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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yeah. There's a lot of gullible, unsuspecting people here that believe anything they're told - both hangookin and waygookin alike.
A country and it's peoples' honesty can be approximated by the inverse proportion of the number of cars with tinted windows. |
1st sentence; yeah, thumbs up, I agree
2nd; WTF? That's a new, radical and brave line of thought. |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
You know if NETs themselves are operating under the mindset that everyone back home smokes weed and that heavy regulations would deter people from coming, can you really blame the Koreans for thinking we all smoke weed?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again- somewhere in the primordial ESL ooze, some NET during a conversation class went on a schpiel about how "back home everyone smokes and its no big deal", that germinated into what we have today.
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Probably because most NETs are straight out of college... I remember on 4-20, I'd be one of the only people in class because everyone else was "celebrating"... Freshmen got kicked out before orientation had even started because they were caught smoking weed before they'd even unpacked, and for a while we were on high-alert because some drug deal had gone wrong and the dealer had sneaked onto campus and stabbed a guy and his roommate because of it...
Then you have a media that portrays everyone having a stoner friend, or trying to get a medical card so they can smoke up... I'm not surprised that Koreans want NETs to get tested. I *am* surprised that people are constantly in shock about it and go on holier-than-thou rants about how "it's not that bad," "it's practically legal here," "it's for medicinal purposes," and "times will change and everyone will smoke pot." Many people wouldn't smoke weed if it were suddenly legalized... I wouldn't. I don't drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes or do drugs, and don't plan to, so it's also annoying to see everyone say "well you don't do drugs, but I bet you drink all the time!"  I'm not saying people who smoke or drink are evil, either... but it's illegal here and someone saying it shouldn't be and it's okay where they're from is not going to change the law here. |
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