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7,000 Korean women fall victim to dating violence a year
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comm

Joined: 22 Jun 2010

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:20 am Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

fermentation wrote:

Yeah because sleeping with a married women who willingly cooperates is the same as abusing your significant other.

It comes close if the wife ends up knocked up and the dude and her end up having to raise the kid.
In a village context I can kind of get that. That kind of stuff can destroy small, close-knit communities and lead to divorce and trauma for the children of the married couples.

ModEdit. Infidelity should lead to divorce, not mutilation. It's never acceptable for the government to punish "immoral behavior" between consenting adults and it's far worse when mobs start enforcing morality.

nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:44 am Post subject:

comm wrote:

It's never acceptable for the government to punish "immoral behavior" between consenting adults and it's far worse when mobs start enforcing morality.

I'm not so sure. Is it?

Immoral behaviour can have very far-reaching consequences and impacts on others, way beyond the brief selfishness of two people.

Infidelity can make people mad enough to kill. You know that, right?

Children who grow up in broken homes suffer in many ways. You know that, right?

If "mutual consent" is your criteria for legitimizing any action, then its perfectly OK to hurt others just so long as any two perpetrators agree on it.

Onward, to mob/ vigilante justice.

It creates a certain security in society. I have seen it in action ( a thief beaten up by a mob in the street).
Its overall wider effect is probably worthwhile.

Its preferable to a society where everyone stands idly by while horrendous crimes ocurr left right and centre...because they stand to be punished for intervening.

fermentation

Joined: 22 Jun 2009

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:49 am Post subject:

Please don't go around castrating people because you think what they did was morally wrong.

comm

Joined: 22 Jun 2010

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:55 am Post subject:

nautilus wrote:

Immoral behaviour can have very far-reaching consequences and impacts on others, way beyond the brief selfishness of two people.

Infidelity can make people mad enough to kill. You know that, right?

Children who grow up in broken homes suffer in many ways. You know that, right?

If "mutual consent" is your criteria for legitimizing any action, then its perfectly OK to hurt others just so long as any two perpetrators agree on it.

Seriously?
Homosexuality can make people mad enough to kill. You know that, right?
Drawing a picture of Muhammad can make people made enough to kill. You know that, right?
And we shouldn't do things unless no one will get angry? Does everyone in the world have to consent to it for it to be ok, or is it enough that the people ACTUALLY INVOLVED agree to it?

nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:11 am Post subject:

comm wrote:

or is it enough that the people ACTUALLY INVOLVED agree to it?

But who is actually involved?

The spouses of the perpetrators, for one.
The children and families of the perpetrators, for another.

You do realise that children from one parent families average signficantly lower future incomes and career prospects than those from two parent families?
You realize that single parents suffer stigma and lower social success?
And that marriage itself is a legally binding contract.

Moral crime can have far worse effects than simple physical crime.

fermentation

Joined: 22 Jun 2009

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:18 am Post subject:

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Moral crime

Yeah totally. I mean look at all those foreign devils corrupting our pure women. Or look at those evil homosexuals. I remember back in the day, a woman wouldn't dare talk when not spoken too. And don't get me started on the people who claim they don't believe in Allah or Jesus or whatever. Vigilante violence is the only answer for such moral deviancy!

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And that marriage itself is a legally binding contract.

There's this thing called divorce. Not sure if you heard of it.

Last edited by fermentation on Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:14 am; edited 1 time in total

comm

Joined: 22 Jun 2010

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:52 am Post subject:

nautilus wrote:

comm wrote:

or is it enough that the people ACTUALLY INVOLVED agree to it?

But who is actually involved?

The spouses of the perpetrators, for one.
The children and families of the perpetrators, for another.

If the spouses of the adulterers are "actually involved" in the adultery, that's not a crime, it's a party.
Now if the children are "actually involved", you've got yourself a case for a crime having been committed.
Of course, here I'm actually using the definition of actually involved.

nautilus wrote:

You realize that single parents suffer stigma and lower social success?
And that marriage itself is a legally binding contract.

Moral crime can have far worse effects than simple physical crime.

Here's a fun fact for you:
Breaking a contract is not a crime. It's 100% a civil matter, generally meaning financial compensation... not jail time or mutilation. And if the big tragedy here is the single-parent family, it's not adultery you need to punish but divorce. I guess divorce is a "moral crime" too, right?

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject:

comm wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

fermentation wrote:

Yeah because sleeping with a married women who willingly cooperates is the same as abusing your significant other.

You missed the key part: In a village context.

You're looking at things from a 21st century, non-agrarian, government services and protection angle where such roles clearly exist.

Now in some rural rice farming village, where the local bigwig is another farmer who happens to also own 50 cattle, where the government rarely drives through and is liable to be corrupt, and people have lived there since the year 3, things might be a bit different.

You know in farming villages, if someone is caught cheating and whatnot, its not like with us where you can just move somewhere else and start over again and hand things off to the lawyers.

What are they going to do? They can't divorce, they can't murder the offenders. They are borderline subsistence farmers.

People don't get why adultery used to be such a big deal, but if you lived in an agrarian community with limited mobility, having 8 families up in arms and having their relationships all riped apart can cause extreme chaos and indirect catastrophes.

Think about it, if they divorce, which if someone cheats on you, is a pretty good reason, then what are they going to do about custody? The father can't care for the kids- he's out working in the fields all day. The mother? Without the father a lot of the labor for farming has left.

Adultery in our lifestyle may be a victimless crime. In other settings, not so much. There's more to it than just "two consenting adults".

nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:48 am Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

People don't get why adultery used to be such a big deal.

Until it happens to them?

Look, I know the new western thinking is that "morality is secondary to personal freedom", but in reality, moral decline has a huge economic and social cost on a country.

How much taxpayers money does it take to pay for all those single mothers? dysfunctional families? All that graffiti? Vandalism? Assault? Jails for criminals? and so on. There's a price to pay.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject:

comm wrote:

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Here's a fun fact for you:
Breaking a contract is not a crime. It's 100% a civil matter, generally meaning financial compensation... not jail time or mutilation. And if the big tragedy here is the single-parent family, it's not adultery you need to punish but divorce. I guess divorce is a "moral crime" too, right?

Here's another fun fact. In certain cases and countries breaking a contract CAN be a crime (sometimes it depends on how it is done.) For example adultery is indeed a crime in South Korea punishable for up to 2 years in jail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7786985.stm

sml7285

Joined: 26 Apr 2012

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:48 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

comm wrote:

And bingo games in NC aren't allowed to last for more than 5 hours by law. http://www.dumblaws.com/law/187

I may be wrong, but I have a feeling the adultery thing is one of those laws that's not enforced.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:50 am Post subject:

sml7285 wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

comm wrote:

From my link above.

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One of South Korea's best-known actresses, Ok So-ri, has been given a suspended prison sentence of eight months for adultery.

these two got jail time

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/south-korean-pastor-jailed-for-adultery/story-e6frfkui-1226206958544

mike1two

Joined: 20 Aug 2012

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject:

Korea is as crime free a country as I've seen along with Japan. Are you guys just trying to find something to complain about?

3DR

Joined: 24 May 2009

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:53 pm Post subject:

nautilus wrote:

Steelrails wrote:

People don't get why adultery used to be such a big deal.

True. It's a me me me society.

nate1983

Joined: 30 Mar 2008

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:06 am Post subject: Re: 7,000 Korean women fall victim to dating violence a year

Los Angeloser wrote:

Is that a foreign male in the background?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/07/117_115559.html

"Love may not always be romantic and tender -- about 7,000 Koreans have been suffering from dating violence annually for the last three years, a report said."

�Abuse that happened more than twice, especially when it�s related to drinking, is highly likely to recur,� said Dr. Lim Se-won, a psychiatrist at Kangbuk Samsung Hospital. �It�s important to take action when it first happens.�

Right Dr. Lim Se-won, after the first time a drinking man might stop after the first time so you just don't know until it happens "twice" or...? Women should thank the Dr. for telling them what "action" not to take. I'm guessing Dr. Lim is a female who didn't want to upset the boys for suggesting women should leave a man for being violent.

Where does it say that the 7000 cases were all male-on-female violence as you implied? The only case I'm personally aware of that was reported to police (as in, involving an acquaintance of mine) was female-on-male (i.e. crazy psycho bitch).

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