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radcon
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| Seems like they're trying to steer the attention away from the crash. |
Seems like they are unaware that Korea's libel laws are the the same as America's libel laws.
They will still have to explain the fact that, even if it WAS a mechanical issue, the pilots did not realize it until just seconds before the crash. |
Asiana is not considering suing because pilot error is being reported. They are upset that the TV station in San Fran reported those goof ball pilot names: Wing To Low etc etc. I don't see how Asiana figures they suffered any kind of damage from that. |
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diver
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
| optik404 wrote: |
| Seems like they're trying to steer the attention away from the crash. |
Seems like they are unaware that Korea's libel laws are the the same as America's libel laws.
They will still have to explain the fact that, even if it WAS a mechanical issue, the pilots did not realize it until just seconds before the crash. |
Asiana is not considering suing because pilot error is being reported. They are upset that the TV station in San Fran reported those goof ball pilot names: Wing To Low etc etc. I don't see how Asiana figures they suffered any kind of damage from that. |
Yeah, I just saw that. I am not sure what they can sue for. |
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hellofaniceguy
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:59 am Post subject: |
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A few years back...KAL crashes into a mountain side on Guam...pilot error.
Junior pilot did not want to undermine the authority of senior...and of course...the crash.
If any of you readers have spent some serious time in korea...then you already know about this...meaning...younger ones do not question older ones.
And with the this latest crash...I think it was pilot error...and not necessarily related to junior/senior pilot questioning each others authority...
I will not be surprised though if these pilots are allowed to pilot again with asiana or another airline. |
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PEIGUY
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Location: Omokgyo
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
| optik404 wrote: |
| Seems like they're trying to steer the attention away from the crash. |
Seems like they are unaware that Korea's libel laws are the the same as America's libel laws.
They will still have to explain the fact that, even if it WAS a mechanical issue, the pilots did not realize it until just seconds before the crash. |
Asiana is not considering suing because pilot error is being reported. They are upset that the TV station in San Fran reported those goof ball pilot names: Wing To Low etc etc. I don't see how Asiana figures they suffered any kind of damage from that. |
Yeah, I just saw that. I am not sure what they can sue for. |
I showed that video to a CEO in the Samsung Group and he was laughing..
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130714000304 |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:21 am Post subject: |
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Here's the thing:
If Koreans are going to go on and on with their "Korean Pride" whenever they have success in the world; then they are also going to also have to expect as much criticism for any failures. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| Just read that Asiana is considering suing the news channel in SF for damage to the company and pilots reputation. Seems like they're trying to steer the attention away from the crash. |
Read where?
I fully expect to see Asiana to try and protect its image as they are a corporation and image impacts profits but I would like to read this article or text about them considering suing the SF TV station. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
A few years back...KAL crashes into a mountain side on Guam...pilot error.
Junior pilot did not want to undermine the authority of senior...and of course...the crash.
If any of you readers have spent some serious time in korea...then you already know about this...meaning...younger ones do not question older ones.
And with the this latest crash...I think it was pilot error...and not necessarily related to junior/senior pilot questioning each others authority...
I will not be surprised though if these pilots are allowed to pilot again with asiana or another airline. |
I remember that Guam crash very well and it was clearly pilot error if memory serves. This Asiana crash also seems to be pilot error.
What happens to the pilots remains to be seen but I do not see why they should be forbidden from flying again? This was not negligence, flying while drunk or drugged, it was pilot error. It is likely this pilot will not fly on larger planes however as that tends to happen. He may be downgraded to smaller planers on shorter routes or if you will demoted in status and pay or he just may get fired for corporate image reasons. Of course if the investigation proves he was drunk, on drugs or reckless on purpose that would be different.
Personally I will wait for the investigation to be fully completed before passing judgement but the company may not due to clear image considerations. |
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optik404
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PatrickGHBusan
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Thanks! I just did and found 2 of these.
Much appreciated.
I do not see much sense in this law suit except to (like you said) divert attention in order to restore public image. That is of course corporate PR 101 for any self-respecting company.  |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| What happens to the pilots remains to be seen but I do not see why they should be forbidden from flying again? |
Is that a statement or a question? If it's a statement then I'd have to disagree and say none of the pilots should be allowed to fly again. Their negligence lead to 3 girls being killed. That should be reason enough to revoke their pilot licenses. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| What happens to the pilots remains to be seen but I do not see why they should be forbidden from flying again? |
Is that a statement or a question? If it's a statement then I'd have to disagree and say none of the pilots should be allowed to fly again. Their negligence lead to 3 girls being killed. That should be reason enough to revoke their pilot licenses. |
Was kind of both.
I am unsure about airline policy in such instances. If it is proven to be a mistake and not due to recklessness or the use of booze or drugs, this pilot may see his license downgraded to smaller planes or be stuck flying for a smaller airline on local routes.
Then again, you may be right, he may simply be fired and have his pilot license revoked. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I am unsure about airline policy in such instances. If it is proven to be a mistake and not due to recklessness or the use of booze or drugs, this pilot may see his license downgraded to smaller planes or be stuck flying for a smaller airline on local routes.
Then again, you may be right, he may simply be fired and have his pilot license revoked. |
I've heard senior pilots get their choice of routes, and favor shorter ones so they can be back at home day of. In Korea being 1 hour gate-to-gate like 3 times. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:12 am Post subject: |
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I am unsure about airline policy in such instances. If it is proven to be a mistake and not due to recklessness or the use of booze or drugs, this pilot may see his license downgraded to smaller planes or be stuck flying for a smaller airline on local routes.
Then again, you may be right, he may simply be fired and have his pilot license revoked. |
I've heard senior pilots get their choice of routes, and favor shorter ones so they can be back at home day of. In Korea being 1 hour gate-to-gate like 3 times. |
That I knew of...I was talking of policy in case of crashes or accidents. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| That I knew of...I was talking of policy in case of crashes or accidents. |
I'm curious too. It's not like it happens often, like once every 20 year event for your average reputable airliner. But how about that guy who landed that plan in the Hudson? You'd want him to stick around. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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| That I knew of...I was talking of policy in case of crashes or accidents. |
I'm curious too. It's not like it happens often, like once every 20 year event for your average reputable airliner. But how about that guy who landed that plan in the Hudson? You'd want him to stick around. |
Exactly what I was thinking, such accidents are so rare.
As for the Hudson river incident, in that case the plane had lost power. There is also the Air Transat plane a few years ago where the pilot glided the 747 in on a trans-atlantic flight. The investigation then revealed he had dumped all the fuel based on faulty instruments.
He kept flying and still flies today. He had a past of alcoolism but had been treated. |
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