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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
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| Canada has the oil. The US needs it. |
Not anymore. Check out this article (released today):
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-imports-continue-fall-172322634.html
The United States has historically been the largest importer of oil. But since horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies (which made it possible for energy companies to extract oil from areas where oil extraction was initially considered impossible and uneconomical) started to take off after successful trials, the United States has begun its journey of becoming an energy-independent country. The EIA estimates that the country will become the largest producer of crude oil within the next few years, knocking countries such as Russia and Saudi Arabia off the top chart. |
Wishful thinking. Nobody but the oil companies like fracking. |
How is this wishful thinking? The US is indeed on its way to energy independence. They won't completely achieve it as fracked wells don't produce for very long, but they are on the way nonetheless.
People may not like fracking, but they love oil. Sure, few people will admit to it as most are ignorant to the extent to which oil enables them to live the good life. Every tangible aspect of your life has been brought to you in some way thanks to hyrdocarbons. To deny this is just ignorant. |
I always laugh when I see people talking about how much they hate oil and stuff, and bicycle to work, all the while with a bunch of plastic crap.
"Yeah, but your bike helmet and water bottle are made out of plastic"
"So? What does that have to do with oil?"
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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...I don't see anything as convoluted and political happening for the Canada-only projects. |
I agree. Going west with more bitumen will continue to be a struggle for a little while yet, whereas Energy East should be fairly smooth. I'm also really excited for the LNG possibilities. There's no reason Canada shouldn't be an energy superpower. We have the resources, a stable government and rule of law, the technical knowhow, and good banking infrastructure. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Just once I'd love to see a flash mob of stupid young people and hipsters (although hipsters are probably too hip for flashmobs now) get set upon by tear gas and the riot squad. They are just such overlyindulgent things.
Release the hounds. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| Canada has the oil. The US needs it. |
Not anymore. Check out this article (released today):
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-imports-continue-fall-172322634.html
The United States has historically been the largest importer of oil. But since horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies (which made it possible for energy companies to extract oil from areas where oil extraction was initially considered impossible and uneconomical) started to take off after successful trials, the United States has begun its journey of becoming an energy-independent country. The EIA estimates that the country will become the largest producer of crude oil within the next few years, knocking countries such as Russia and Saudi Arabia off the top chart. |
Wishful thinking. Nobody but the oil companies like fracking. |
How is this wishful thinking? The US is indeed on its way to energy independence. They won't completely achieve it as fracked wells don't produce for very long, but they are on the way nonetheless.
People may not like fracking, but they love oil. Sure, few people will admit to it as most are ignorant to the extent to which oil enables them to live the good life. Every tangible aspect of your life has been brought to you in some way thanks to hyrdocarbons. To deny this is just ignorant. |
I always laugh when I see people talking about how much they hate oil and stuff, and bicycle to work, all the while with a bunch of plastic crap.
"Yeah, but your bike helmet and water bottle are made out of plastic"
"So? What does that have to do with oil?"
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I am willing to wager I've taken more organic chemistry classes than you have, so don't even think about going there. Heck, I've even been offered jobs as recently as a month ago to work as a chemist by petrochemical companies. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I am willing to wager I've taken more organic chemistry classes than you have, so don't even think about going there. Heck, I've even been offered jobs as recently as a month ago to work as a chemist by petrochemical companies. |
So why not say what you have to say about the topic as opposed to threatening to use your education on him? I would honestly be interested to hear it. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Im also interested to hear it 12ax. Put up or shut up. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| 12ax7 wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| Canada has the oil. The US needs it. |
Not anymore. Check out this article (released today):
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-oil-imports-continue-fall-172322634.html
The United States has historically been the largest importer of oil. But since horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing technologies (which made it possible for energy companies to extract oil from areas where oil extraction was initially considered impossible and uneconomical) started to take off after successful trials, the United States has begun its journey of becoming an energy-independent country. The EIA estimates that the country will become the largest producer of crude oil within the next few years, knocking countries such as Russia and Saudi Arabia off the top chart. |
Wishful thinking. Nobody but the oil companies like fracking. |
How is this wishful thinking? The US is indeed on its way to energy independence. They won't completely achieve it as fracked wells don't produce for very long, but they are on the way nonetheless.
People may not like fracking, but they love oil. Sure, few people will admit to it as most are ignorant to the extent to which oil enables them to live the good life. Every tangible aspect of your life has been brought to you in some way thanks to hyrdocarbons. To deny this is just ignorant. |
I always laugh when I see people talking about how much they hate oil and stuff, and bicycle to work, all the while with a bunch of plastic crap.
"Yeah, but your bike helmet and water bottle are made out of plastic"
"So? What does that have to do with oil?"
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I am willing to wager I've taken more organic chemistry classes than you have, so don't even think about going there. Heck, I've even been offered jobs as recently as a month ago to work as a chemist by petrochemical companies. |
Wasn't addressing you personally. Just that there are a lot of people out there that "Hate oil" but have no idea that plastics are derived from petrochemicals. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Just once I'd love to see a flash mob of stupid young people and hipsters (although hipsters are probably too hip for flashmobs now) get set upon by tear gas and the riot squad. They are just such overlyindulgent things.
Release the hounds. |
Why don't you take a "God Hates Flash Mobs" placard to soldiers' funerals?  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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I should start my own newsletter and action group.
Take on flashmobs. Then move onto drum circles, silent discos, and cat cafes. Then go after candlelight vigils, at which point some will accuse us of going to far. Then there will be a split and a separate faction will form. Meanwhile, I as founder, will get caught being drunk with some floozy at a flashmob or maybe texting a photo of myself at a drum circle and be forced to give a tearful apology and seek out Oprah or Catie Kouric for redemption. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
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I am willing to wager I've taken more organic chemistry classes than you have, so don't even think about going there. Heck, I've even been offered jobs as recently as a month ago to work as a chemist by petrochemical companies. |
So why not say what you have to say about the topic as opposed to threatening to use your education on him? I would honestly be interested to hear it. |
I've said it already: don't expect the US to become energy self-sufficient through fracking. Besides, what about all the electricity and uranium that the US imports? Yes, energy does not equate fossil fuels. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
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I am willing to wager I've taken more organic chemistry classes than you have, so don't even think about going there. Heck, I've even been offered jobs as recently as a month ago to work as a chemist by petrochemical companies. |
So why not say what you have to say about the topic as opposed to threatening to use your education on him? I would honestly be interested to hear it. |
I've said it already: don't expect the US to become energy self-sufficient through fracking. Besides, what about all the electricity and uranium that the US imports? Yes, energy does not equate fossil fuels. |
You know full well I was referring to your comment to Steelrails, not to your comment on American energy independence. You've tried to impress us with your knowledge of organic chemistry without actually saying anything. You've stated that one shouldn't "even think about going there" with you. So, like IPC said, put up or shut up. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
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I am willing to wager I've taken more organic chemistry classes than you have, so don't even think about going there. Heck, I've even been offered jobs as recently as a month ago to work as a chemist by petrochemical companies. |
So why not say what you have to say about the topic as opposed to threatening to use your education on him? I would honestly be interested to hear it. |
I've said it already: don't expect the US to become energy self-sufficient through fracking. Besides, what about all the electricity and uranium that the US imports? Yes, energy does not equate fossil fuels. |
You know full well I was referring to your comment to Steelrails, not to your comment on American energy independence. You've tried to impress us with your knowledge of organic chemistry without actually saying anything. You've stated that one shouldn't "even think about going there" with you. So, like IPC said, put up or shut up. |
Tried to impress you?
Your opinion is not that important to me. |
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Ginormousaurus
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| So I take it we're not going to get that chemistry lesson then? Doesn't matter. We probably wouldn't even understand it, right? |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
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Swampfox10mm
You thin countries like Canada would have gotten off of their duff WITHOUT the USA leading the push? |
Canada joined World War ll on September 10th, 1939.
America joined World War ll on December 8th, 1941.
But anyways.. |
Canada's contributions in the European theater in WWII were stellar. The Canadian contribution in the Pacific was token at best. This thread is about Korea's liberation from Japan. Both in the Pacific. The Pacific war was overwhemingly fought by the US, especially in the end. |
With what weapon did the US beat Japan, and did the US design it on its own?
And, no, it's about a ridiculous flash mob. So, let me return to the real topic of this thread by reiterating: flash mobs are so 2009. |
This argument has been done recently on another thread.
Basically its a 3 way horse between the Chinese tying down huge amounts of Japanese manpower, the US crippling the Japanese Merchant Marine and destroying the cream of the Japanese Armed Forces- the IJN, and the Soviets deciding to invade Manchuria that all led to Japan's capitulation. |
The dropping of two atomic bombs (arguably a crime against humanity) was of little importance in the eyes of the Japanese, eh? |
You got it. The atomic bombs were not the reason the Japanese surrendered. Japanese cities had already been bombed to oblivion. The reason they surrendered was because the Soviets declared war on Japan right after Hiroshima. |
So to celebrate their independance they had a flash mob in which they danced to a song sung by a guy who wants to torture the families of American soldiers.
Here we are arguing about who Korea has to thank for it's independance....Russia, the USA, Canada, NZ....Turkey? How about all of the above.
The whole thing reminds me of a quote that is going around a lot during soccer season.
"A nation which forgets its history has no future" - yep. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Hahaha the guy ran away from this thread the second he was asked to back up his bold claims. Classic cowardly move. |
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