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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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try to get you banned from leaving the school at lunch.
This is what happened at my High School where I couldn't stand the lunches or company. At my middle school I ate the lunch because it was decent and the co-teachers were nice. |
My last middle school (and that school rotted in far more ways than one) in Busan. June 2012. Supervisor: "You cannot leave the school grounds without having my signature, the department head signature, the vice principal's signature, and the principal's signature. Not even during lunch. What if something were to happen to you?"
And people wonder why so many of us quit after years working in EPIK. |
It's a liability issue. If something DID happen, it could be a problem. Blame the lawyers. |
It's a control issue; public school principals are the most dickish bosses I've ever had. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| My school is pretty easy-come, easy-go, but they too make a big deal about ALL teachers signing in and signing out. I think it has something to do with workplace injury and insurance coverage or some such as it was translated to me. |
See, I see signing in and out (or swiping a card) as more to do with security purposes, than safety. Many companies or schools want to keep track of who's coming and going. If something goes wrong, they can look at who was there (or wasn't).
But as for taking a lunch outside of the company - I'd be shocked if it was actually legal for a company to restrict worker's movements. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:44 pm Post subject: ! |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| chopstick wrote: |
try to get you banned from leaving the school at lunch.
This is what happened at my High School where I couldn't stand the lunches or company. At my middle school I ate the lunch because it was decent and the co-teachers were nice. |
My last middle school (and that school rotted in far more ways than one) in Busan. June 2012. Supervisor: "You cannot leave the school grounds without having my signature, the department head signature, the vice principal's signature, and the principal's signature. Not even during lunch. What if something were to happen to you?"
And people wonder why so many of us quit after years working in EPIK. |
It's a liability issue. If something DID happen, it could be a problem. Blame the lawyers. |
Lord, you're completely full of it (no surprise seeing who it is). When the only person required to do so is the GET, it's not a liability issue. It's a BS issue. Swiping one's access card (which neither of my EPIK schools had in the first place) is completely different from obtaining permission to leave the school during one's lunch break. |
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f12
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| am i the only one who REALLY ENJOYS school lunch (public school in daejeon if it matters)? |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| The reason I dislike them is they are so unhealthy. Too much sodium and too many simple carbs (rice, noodles, sugar, etc.). Health is wealth. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| It's a control issue; public school principals are the most dickish bosses I've ever had. |
The principal sent a message to me today that from now I will expected to come to all school meetings. (The meetings are conducted entirely in Korean). Ugh. What am I going to do? Awkward. That edict makes no logical sense. But I have to comply. I have no choice. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:42 am Post subject: |
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The principal sent a message to me today that from now I will expected to come to all school meetings. (The meetings are conducted entirely in Korean). Ugh. What am I going to do? Awkward. That edict makes no logical sense. But I have to comply. I have no choice. |
I've been expected to do that for years. Typically, weekly staff meetings take about 10 or 15 minutes. They follow a routine with charge teachers outlining issues & changes for the week ahead. Theres a printed agenda too, you can practice your reading. After a few meetings you start to notice when things are out of the ordinary, so if you dont grasp whats going on, you can ask your co-teacher after. It can actually be quite useful in keeping on top of school events.
Then there was the time a PE teacher & the VP shouted at each other & almost came to physical blows. That was amusing.
Once or twice a semester I also have to sign in & sit through a school-wide half-hour seminar on school violence, sexual harassment, etc. Its not a big deal. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| It seems pretty simple OP: eat out and forgo the school lunch. Then you can eat whatever you like. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| The principal sent a message to me today that from now I will expected to come to all school meetings. (The meetings are conducted entirely in Korean). Ugh. What am I going to do? Awkward. That edict makes no logical sense. But I have to comply. I have no choice. |
So basically you want all of the privileges of Korean teachers, but none of the responsibilities.
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| Lord, you're completely full of it (no surprise seeing who it is). When the only person required to do so is the GET, it's not a liability issue. It's a BS issue. Swiping one's access card (which neither of my EPIK schools had in the first place) is completely different from obtaining permission to leave the school during one's lunch break. |
Well there are probably some schools out there where someone has it out for the NET, of course we might not be getting the full story about why they cracked down. There are also many schools out there where ALL teachers are required to notify their superiors before leaving school grounds during work hours.
Anyways, staying if leaving school grounds requires written authorization due to regulation, and we are contractually obligated to to follow regulations, then that is what you do.
You demand to stick to the contract, stick to the contract. Sign in and out and get 50 documents. The contract works both ways. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
My school is pretty easy-come, easy-go, but they too make a big deal about ALL teachers signing in and signing out. I think it has something to do with workplace injury and insurance coverage or some such as it was translated to me.
I mean, say you're walking about to Dunkin Donuts for a cup of coffee during work hours and get creamed by a scooter, you might claim workplace injury as you were "on the clock".
Or if you were given permission to go out, but there was no record, insurance might not pay out.
I'm not saying it isn't tedious, but I'm sure sometime, somewhere, something like this happened and there was a whole fiasco and now people have to be careful about it.
I'll amend it to blame the lawyers/bureaucrats/politicians/etc. |
You mean the foriegner actually gets covered if he's injured on the job in the workplace? I alwaqys figured it would only apply to Koreans or something. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| But school lunches use to be free until about 2 to 3 years ago. So, what could I complain about, but for the taste? |
Where was this? As of 2006 in Busan, the school lunches were not free. |
Really? They weren't desperate for teachers back in 2006 in Busan? My rural area, they were and foriegners were still a novelty. So, no charge. Usually the ed offices or the Principals would tell the cafeterias not to charge me. It was an odd mix of xenophoobia and guest of homor treatment in my old town at that time. Uppers levels happy to have a foriegner and kids too. Many other teachers and some local townsfolks pretty hostile to the whole my being there part. Some gave me hateful looks and didn't sit next to me on the bus and then others thanked me profusely for being willing to come to their little town.
Local area tried to crackdown and make a big stink at the end of 2008 (paying for school lunches and leaving early and taking off exam days) and early 2009. But not realizing yet it was easy to get teachers they never pushed it to hard after some objections. Backed off pretty quickly. I moved to a bigger city later on and had some schools charge and some didn't. But around 2011ish, I had to pay every day and ever since. (But they aren't too desperate for us and aren't a novelty anymore.) |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Well there are probably some schools out there where someone has it out for the NET, of course we might not be getting the full story about why they cracked down. There are also many schools out there where ALL teachers are required to notify their superiors before leaving school grounds during work hours.
Anyways, staying if leaving school grounds requires written authorization due to regulation, and we are contractually obligated to to follow regulations, then that is what you do.
You demand to stick to the contract, stick to the contract. Sign in and out and get 50 documents. The contract works both ways. |
How on Earth are you an English teacher with your incredibly bad reading comprehension? Look, it's not simply notification. AS IS ALREADY POSTED, it's obtaining signed permission from the principal each and every time to leave school grounds during the lunch break.
Honestly, 'Rails. The quality of your trolling is beginning to suffer. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Two issues here. Well one issue and one non-issue.
The non-issue: school lunch. Seriously, if you do not like it, eat something else. go out and eat at a restaurant or bring your own lunch.
The issue: Staff meetings. Well, sorry to tell you this but attending staff meetings is part of most jobs on the planet, including yours. sure staff meetings can be boring and annoying at times but you really do not have anything to stand on to justify not attending. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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Well there are probably some schools out there where someone has it out for the NET, of course we might not be getting the full story about why they cracked down. There are also many schools out there where ALL teachers are required to notify their superiors before leaving school grounds during work hours.
Anyways, staying if leaving school grounds requires written authorization due to regulation, and we are contractually obligated to to follow regulations, then that is what you do.
You demand to stick to the contract, stick to the contract. Sign in and out and get 50 documents. The contract works both ways. |
How on Earth are you an English teacher with your incredibly bad reading comprehension? Look, it's not simply notification. AS IS ALREADY POSTED, it's obtaining signed permission from the principal each and every time to leave school grounds during the lunch break.
Honestly, 'Rails. The quality of your trolling is beginning to suffer. |
Hey man, contract is a contract. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
The principal sent a message to me today that from now I will expected to come to all school meetings. (The meetings are conducted entirely in Korean). Ugh. What am I going to do? Awkward. That edict makes no logical sense. But I have to comply. I have no choice. |
I've been expected to do that for years. Typically, weekly staff meetings take about 10 or 15 minutes. They follow a routine with charge teachers outlining issues & changes for the week ahead. Theres a printed agenda too, you can practice your reading. After a few meetings you start to notice when things are out of the ordinary, so if you dont grasp whats going on, you can ask your co-teacher after. It can actually be quite useful in keeping on top of school events.
Then there was the time a PE teacher & the VP shouted at each other & almost came to physical blows. That was amusing.
Once or twice a semester I also have to sign in & sit through a school-wide half-hour seminar on school violence, sexual harassment, etc. Its not a big deal. |
99.99% of the topics don't matter to anyone except the head teachers.
I was in a meeting one time where an affair between a married male teacher and unmarried female teacher was discussed, with every teacher in the school present. I'm not sure who first brought it up, it may have been the VP. At first, no one wanted to touch the subject but as soon as one of the participants tried to "explain" things it got all hot and heated. The Prin, VP, and the participants ended up using my classroom to "privately" settle things after everyone had pretty much heard it all. Oh, and his wife came to the meeting in my classroom, too. That must have been fun. |
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