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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 2:39 am Post subject:

Gender studies girl, I do not have a lot of patience for insecure people. I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt, but you'll just have to get over it. If you want some sort of good faith debate here, you've yet to even begin to meaningfully defend your position, so get to it. If by contrast you want no such thing, then what makes you think I care about your feeble insults or attempt at face saving?

Old fat expat

Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:34 am Post subject:

What? Again? Name calling! I'm so surprised.

nora

Joined: 14 Apr 2012

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:58 am Post subject:

Fox - I find your vocabulary quite refreshing. Dealing with ESL students all the time, it's nice to to see accurate and precise words. Maybe a bit pretentious at times, but that's rare. And I completely agree with your position here. Keep it up.

Ginormousaurus

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Location: 700 Ft. Pulpit

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:13 pm Post subject:

nora wrote:

Fox - I find your vocabulary quite refreshing. Dealing with ESL students all the time, it's nice to to see accurate and precise words. Maybe a bit pretentious at times, but that's rare.

And I completely agree with your position here. Keep it up.

+1

I rather enjoy reading your posts...especially in this thread!

The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject:

Fox wrote:

Honest question here: is the vocabulary I use in my posts really that impenetrable and obscure? Is the occasional complaint in this regard fair, or are the people who complain in this fashion just woefully ill-educated?

Hmm...loaded question for sure, but worthy of a response.

Fox, you have a gift for rhetoric...no questions about it.
In fact, few on this board read as well as your posts do.

Your gift has its drawbacks, which at times can be a non-trivial issue, especially when non-trivial issues are being circuitously bantered about.

From my personal experiences with your methods of discourse, which are few with regards to the voluminous number of posts your pen here at Dave's, your posts tend to follow a similar pattern.
You are right...everyone who disagrees is wrong.

The upside to this pattern is that your use of the English language is commendable and a pleasure to read.
At times, it as though you are a dancer in a professional boxing ring.
You have the ability to use language in a way that makes your comments appear untouchable and almost appear as though you have a chance of winning.
Your opponent wins, but often without the feeling of clear knockout victory...at times with a Pyrrhic victory at best/worst.
However, many times you are the pro boxer in a boxing ring...and at these times you are untouchable and a damned heavy hitter.

Lucas

Joined: 11 Sep 2012

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject:

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However, many times you are the pro boxer in a boxing ring...and at these times you are untouchable and a damned heavy hitter.

That's only because he uses a fake peni s like Mike Tyson to pass his drug tests. Wink

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2505411/Mike-Tyson-autobiography-I-high-drugs-fights-used-fake-*beep*-avoid-getting-caught.html

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:19 pm Post subject:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

You are right...everyone who disagrees is wrong.

Sure, but that's just a way of speaking, and it's intended to lay out a challenge, one to which I sincerely hope people will rise. For example, even after the complete travesty of a response which gender studies girl provided me in this thread I left the door open to her coming back with a serious case. It takes a demonstration of blatant and undeniable foolishness before I go from merely saying the other party is wrong to actually taking it for granted.

duhweecher

Joined: 06 Nov 2013

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:16 pm Post subject:

Fox wrote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

You are right...everyone who disagrees is wrong.

All said and done, you my dear, still have yet to support the idea that gender studies is meaningless or unworthy of its current status in academia.

Despite your somewhat pedantic, pretentious, and often trite use of the King's language, you have little to add to the conversation and I'm at a lost for why you decided to join in.

Gender is so important in the world and confusing it with sex is a major blunder that can lead to disastrous outcomes--like the extreme case of rape that I presented to you earlier. Whether a person chooses to be a "woman," (yes, it is a choice) is a personal preference that supplies her not only with agency but also with a level of respect due to all people. Rashly assuming that the understanding of gender falls within the like of pseudo-academia, is about a dumb as thinking that gravity doesn't matter simply because we can't see it.

You may not like gender studies or the emphasis on its often jargon-filled world, but that doesn't change the nature of reality (gender and gravity are there regardless of whether YOU want to see it or not). I'm sure I won't convince you any different because you're clearly set in becoming one with your clearly *ignorant* view. But to be honest, to affirm that everyone who happens to see some worth in gender studies is misguided or pursuing a meaningless endeavour makes you perhaps the most arrogant and delusional person I have ever had the #pleasure# to partake in discourse with.

And in the end...you call yourself a woman (with little understanding of what the distinction even means...besides the slit that makes it so).

Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:34 pm Post subject:

sigh Rape is rape regardless of the gender or sex or whatever of the people involved. I'm pretty sure we don't need the insane number and variety of gender classifications that have been invented in the past few years to see this simple truth.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:40 pm Post subject:

duhweecher wrote:

Despite your somewhat pedantic, pretentious, and often trite use of the King's language, you have little to add to the conversation and I'm at a lost for why you decided to join in.

I don't understand why you think I originally posted intending to start a conversation with you. I've kindly left the door open for you to actually attempt to defend your position through rational argumentation, but make no mistake, absent such a compelling defense my interest lies in mocking your ideology and its self-absorbed practitioners, not listening to your transparent attempt at Internet face saving.

duhweecher wrote:

the understanding of gender

No, not the understanding of gender, your understanding of gender; your methodology of approaching it. There are those in history who have approached the matter in a dignified and efficacious fashion, in no small part because they lacked the total obsession with and personal anxieties regarding the matter with which gender studies "scholars" are unfortunately so commonly afflicted. I don't think you can understand this distinction to be honest, the fundamental way in which your methodology damns your results before you even begin. Perhaps you should e-mail Assistant Gender Studies Blogger Sarah S. Richardson and ask her to revise your opinion for you? Because you do not seem to realize that everything you've posed so far does nothing but reinforce for me the neurotic and dysfunctional character of this "discipline" and its adherents. I understand why universities tolerate and encourage these disciplines -- gender studies, women's studies, <race> studies, feminist studies, and so forth act as a kind of academic affirmative action, allowing certain demographics who are under-represented in actual academic fields to pretend they're contributing to the advancement of human knowledge -- but I'm certainly not going to go along with this game of pretend for the sake of soothing your ego.

duhweecher wrote:

perhaps the most arrogant and delusional person

Well, at least I'm the best at something I suppose. Golf claps all around.

duhweecher

Joined: 06 Nov 2013

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject:

Fox wrote:

duhweecher wrote:

Despite your somewhat pedantic, pretentious, and often trite use of the King's language, you have little to add to the conversation and I'm at a lost for why you decided to join in.

duhweecher wrote:

the understanding of gender

duhweecher wrote:

perhaps the most arrogant and delusional person

Well, at least I'm the best at something I suppose. Golf claps all around.

Again, many words....little to no meaning.

Exactly where was my understanding of gender wrong. Be concise, less PMS B.S. and more meaning. Where in my "methodology" did I go wrong (or are you again employing words to make yourself sound smart?? "neurotic or dysfunctional character of this 'discipline'" what the hell does that even mean? Since when did a discipline get a character...gosh, you're horrible at writing. Write something that MAKES SENSE for once instead of using big words or over exaggerated notions that amount to zero in terms of communication).

What is your point, oh pretentious slit?

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:45 pm Post subject:

duhweecher wrote:

Again, many words....little to no meaning.

I've already conceded you're likely incapable of understanding my point, why did you feel I needed an explicit affirmation along those lines?

duhweecher wrote:

Exactly where was my understanding of gender wrong.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/01/breaking-through-the-gender-binary/

duhweecher wrote:

Where in my "methodology" did I go wrong (or are you again employing words to make yourself sound smart??).

"Methodology" is a word that sets off your intellectual insecurities? Seriously?

In any case, I've told you precisely what I am interested in hearing from you. Either you can provide it or not. If not, I'm just going to start using your posts as spring-boards for topical rants for my own enjoyment.

duhweecher

Joined: 06 Nov 2013

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:04 pm Post subject:

Underwaterbob wrote:

*sigh*

Rape is rape regardless of the gender or sex or whatever of the people involved. I'm pretty sure we don't need the insane number and variety of gender classifications that have been invented in the past few years to see this simple truth.

Doubt that was every true. Rape has always been about gender.

duhweecher

Joined: 06 Nov 2013

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:08 pm Post subject:

Fox wrote:

duhweecher wrote:

Again, many words....little to no meaning.

I've already conceded you're likely incapable of understanding my point, why did you feel I needed an explicit affirmation along those lines?

duhweecher wrote:

Exactly where was my understanding of gender wrong.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/01/breaking-through-the-gender-binary/

duhweecher wrote:

Where in my "methodology" did I go wrong (or are you again employing words to make yourself sound smart??).

I have no problem with a "methodology" when it's used to refer to a methodology. By the way, understanding a point usually entails the other end having one.

My point, deary, is that you don't have a point--except making a fool of yourself by saying gender studies doesn't matter and also being a woman...which is like a walking oxymoron. And in this case, the shortened form (which is not the shortened form) "moron" would be just as apropos to explaining the point.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:23 am Post subject:

duhweecher wrote:

I have no problem with a "methodology" when it's used to refer to a methodology.

No, you made it clear you felt "methodology," a common-usage word with a completely transparent meaning, was a word I used to "sound smart." How ill-read must one be for such a word to induce such an impression I do not know, but your own failings are unimportant here, as my response is a general one. The trend in question is an example of the mediocrity promised by ever-broadening access to higher education. As access is expanded again and again by political and economic forces, the quality of the education must necessarily decrease, so as to accommodate the new target demographic. The trouble, of course, is that while the cleverness, insight, wisdom, or ability of these new students may be less, their pride is no smaller for it. No smaller, but far more sensitive, knowing as they do in their heart of hearts just what a sham it is in which they participate. Accordingly, they are highly susceptible to the sentiment, "You are no better than me!" Some express it directly, but most resort to indirect means, and attacking vocabulary is one such example. After all, if your interlocutor is "no better than you," then he must simply be putting on a show, trying to seem better than he truly is, and he must be put in his place!

duhweecher wrote:

My point, deary, is that you don't have a point.

You can declare that you do not see my point a thousand more times, and my response will remain the same: "Of course you don't." Having said that, I see no need to keep repeating it.

I somewhat suspect that this poster is a puppet account designed for baiting, but no matter. If she is genuine, then she warrants my rants, and if not, then she enjoys trolling just as I enjoy ranting, so I am happy to play until I get bored.

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