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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't read it, but I've read a few excerpts and read about the movement it inspired. I do feel like buying it, borrowing it, and reading about it too much would probably put you on some list. |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| I haven't read it, but I've read a few excerpts and read about the movement it inspired. I do feel like buying it, borrowing it, and reading about it too much would probably put you on some list. |
I do admit that it is racist propaganda, but it's hard to deny some of the elements of the book are coming true in the current state of affairs. I would recommend it. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| El Bandito wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I haven't read it, but I've read a few excerpts and read about the movement it inspired. I do feel like buying it, borrowing it, and reading about it too much would probably put you on some list. |
I do admit that it is racist propaganda, but it's hard to deny some of the elements of the book are coming true in the current state of affairs. I would recommend it. |
Like what, exactly. The impunity thing is a farce given that minorities are arrested at a higher rate, even for crimes they don't commit at higher rates, I.e. Drug use. I wouldn't recommend it unless you want to be on the government lists el bandito is on (which is half a joke, half true) |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
I'm a bit surprised you haven't heard of it.
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Well, I get ornery about topics like feminism, egalitarianism, and so forth because it is constantly shoved in my face and elicits a sort of epistemological immune reaction, not because I am actually interested in it. The other side of the spectrum -- genuine hard-core racism and the like -- is not something many people try to force down my throat, so I do not pay much attention to it.
Liked Persepolis by the way. It was nice how she was able to articulate the perspective she did without it devolving into an identity freak-out or a pity fest. Made it much easier to actually sympathize with the character. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| As soon as another 17 year old is shot, there will be an innocent picture on the front page of a newspaper with the mom in a black dress and the pop in a suit in mourning. "Junior was such a good boy. He had a Chocolate Hershey Bar in his pocket." |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| El Bandito wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I haven't read it, but I've read a few excerpts and read about the movement it inspired. I do feel like buying it, borrowing it, and reading about it too much would probably put you on some list. |
I do admit that it is racist propaganda, but it's hard to deny some of the elements of the book are coming true in the current state of affairs. I would recommend it. |
Like what, exactly. The impunity thing is a farce given that minorities are arrested at a higher rate, even for crimes they don't commit at higher rates, I.e. Drug use. I wouldn't recommend it unless you want to be on the government lists el bandito is on (which is half a joke, half true) |
Like what exactly? Well if you haven't read the book, what's the point? |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Two "attackers" dead.
http://news.awfbase.com/content/knockout-game-turns-deadly-60-year-old-woman-shoots-and-kills-2-teens-after-being-punched#.UpCGgxbrYhO
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| The same cannot be said for her two victims, Montgomery fired 5 times hitting one of the teens in the chest and the other in the stomach. Because of their age police are not releasing the names at this time, but are saying the teens died as a result of the gun shot wounds. Police are still looking for the others teens who were apart of the group. Witnesses say they ran off after the gun shots were fired. |
I put attackers in quotations because it's not exactly apparent if those were the ones that hit her. |
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
I'm a bit surprised you haven't heard of it.
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Well, I get ornery about topics like feminism, egalitarianism, and so forth because it is constantly shoved in my face and elicits a sort of epistemological immune reaction, not because I am actually interested in it. The other side of the spectrum -- genuine hard-core racism and the like -- is not something many people try to force down my throat, so I do not pay much attention to it.
Liked Persepolis by the way. It was nice how she was able to articulate the perspective she did without it devolving into an identity freak-out or a pity fest. Made it much easier to actually sympathize with the character. |
It's been in the news a lot, it seems like everytime there is a violent racial attack there is at least a 50% chance the person either has the book or mentions it. It was found in Timothy McViegh's truck after he got caught, and supposedly the attack was an attempt to bring the book to life. They even sell the book on Amazon, it has 4 stars, and if you ever want to see good examples of hedging read the reviews. It reminds me of El Bandito, It is racist propaganda, but some of it is coming true.... I don't agree with it, but its well written... most especially telling are the reviewers who claim they are libertarian.
Here is one such review.
"consider it from a libertarian, Minuteman perspective. Erase the racial hatred and other nonsense in the book and examine the protagonist purely as a member of an organization opposed to what he views as governmental oppression and a fundamental stripping of his Constitutionally-guaranteed rights. The protagonist-- who is an admittedly flawed individual, a manifestation of the author's own anxieties and fears on a grand scale-- is merely a man who is willing to risk his life, his liberty, and his fortune to strike back at the government for what he feels are crimes. Granted, his perception of "crimes" (so-called race-mixing and the truly ludicrous scenes of Jewish and minority reverse-racism and oppression) is deeply flawed by almost any thinking person's standards, but his methods are deadly accurate."
and another one.
"I too read the book out of sheer curiosity from a Libertarian standpoint .I see a lot of squeamish liberal readers here.So let me get this straight.Its ok to kill millions to implement Communism in Russia and China ,but the Turner Diaries is offensive.That makes complete sense.I love a lot of blacks and a lot of Jews.I do not however like Communist, government ,statist, racial and gender mandates like affirmative action, welfare and feminism."
yes, ignoring all the killing and torture of the minorities which is almost the entire point, I sure do hate the government and want to nuke china...
Glad you liked the comic. |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting piece about this, I think some people seem to have reached their conclusions based on CNN reports & a bunch of YouTube video's,
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christandpopculture/2013/11/the-knockout-game-myth-and-its-racist-roots/
A few excerpts;
"Here’s the fascinating thing about this “spreading” trend: nobody seems to have any evidence that it’s spreading, or that it’s new, or that it’s racially motivated, or that black youths are the ones typically responsible, or that whites are typically targeted."
"Most sources claim that it is spreading, and a number of sources claim that it is racially motivated. But how do they know? Where are they getting their data from?"
N.B. I was linked to the source from a friend, I'm not into all that religious stuff, so whilst it is only a blog, the links for it's sources seem pretty solid. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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IS the knockout game potentially exaggerated? Probably. Still it is a bit of a response to the underreporting of it, and black on white crime in general. The media DOES tend to underreport and under-sensationalize black on white crime, especially those that might have potentially racist elements. However, the least sensationalized, to the point of it not even being 'normal', but tragically indifferent, is when black people are victims of crimes by other blacks or even by whites when its a non-racial crime. Best summed up by 'Black Girl 12, killed' Page A6. 'White Lady's Dog Killed/White Girl Missing/White Baby Locked in Car for 5 Minutes' Front Page.
The media may or may not have an agenda, but it really looks like they just run with whatever story they think will sell. Sadly, the stories that get the clicks are ones where white people commit racist crimes against blacks, and crimes involving white women/children/babies and animals.
The mass audience out there would care more about some zookeeper beating a tiger to death, for no reason, in a zoo 2000 miles away than an innocent black person being killed, 4 blocks away from them. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly I have no idea how "new" this "game" is or whether or not it's spreading but a lot of these crimes actually were reported in the first place and they are just now linking them to "knockout."
At the moment I live in Eastern Pa so I'm relatively close to New Jersey and over the past few months these attacks have made the morning news but they were always chalked up to "random violence, police are looking for the suspects..." Now after the recent arrests of some of these kids, they are claiming they were just playing this game. God I can't wait to get back to Korea next month.... |
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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Here's an article from Forbes, you may not have access from Korea:
The Knockout Game Goes Viral, The Hunger Games It's Not
Enthralled with the movie saga of starving and oppressed young heroes rebelling against brutal government tyranny? Then what do you make of gangs of inner-city teenage boys trying to prove their macho playing a one-punch knockout game, preying on innocent victims whose government obliges all of us to house, feed, educate, and provide medical care to these barbarians within our gates?
The good news is that mainstream media is finally picking up on the story, which has been simmering for years in the alternative press. Thankfully, attempts by the New York Times and others guardians of the prevailing narrative to dismiss this as urban myth or blame it on violent videogames are gaining little traction. Shining some light on this story may help combat the trend. The bad news is that until more forceful law enforcement measures are taken, increased media attention is more likely than not to produce a wave of copycat incidents, similar to reports of flash mob looting.
Underneath lie the forbidden issues of race and class. While the mainstream media studiously avoids identifying the race of knockout game perpetrators, an overwhelming number appear to be black males, with victims chosen specifically because they are not.
Unlike their quick involvement in the Trayvon Martin case, our unifier-in-chief and his attorney general have absented themselves from this national conversation, despite the increased federalization of so-called hate crimes. But perhaps they have a point. Judging by published interviews of teenagers familiar with or involved in these despicable games, they don’t fit the profile of most hate crimes. Rather, they appear to be manhood rituals designed to increase the esteem of attackers amongst their peers. Both the hoodlums involved and their laughing companions seem to accord no more moral significance to these violent attacks than they would to pulling the wings off flies.
And therein lies the horror of this trend.
The decline of the inner city black family accelerated by the ministrations of the welfare state has been the subject of study ever since Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s controversial 1965 report The Negro Family: The Case For National Action concluded that “The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States.” George Gilder, in his seminal book Men and Marriage, states the case most plainly. His thesis is that men, by our evolutionary nature, are feral creatures who are quick to violence and prone to run in packs. Unless otherwise directed, our moral sensibilities are guided by the tribal alpha male. Only the discipline of the family in which the father tames and guides his young sons, as his wife constrains and guides the father, creates the necessary basis for a just and empathetic civilization.
Gilder’s appeal to the superiority of “maternal morality and futurity” was met with fierce hostility and derision by the feminist community, whose attempts to deemphasize the primacy of marriage and family succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. The upper classes successfully adapted as the institution of marriage changed from a lifetime commitment to a series of short-term contracts by an unremitting focus on education, allowing both male and female children to economically thrive even if they choose to live single lives. But inner city families, lacking such cultural capital and dependent on dysfunctional public school systems, largely collapsed. Instead, single mothers supported by a panoply of government welfare programs unleashed generations of fatherless boys on society, who grew up to become irresponsible, unproductive thugs. Popular entertainer Bill Cosby continues to make many of the same points.
These thugs-in-training have now brought us the knockout game, a cowardly version of the ancient manhood rituals that used to send a solitary young warrior out with a spear to catch a lion. At least tribal hunting rituals cultivated cunning, skill, and bravery. Exactly what kind of character traits are cultivated by sucker-punching elderly, defenseless women?
If this trend continues it’s just a matter of time before vigilantes step in to fill the gaps left by law enforcement agencies too busy confiscating cash and cars in pursuit of their futile war on drugs to focus on public safety. The New York Times will surely be the first to condemn knockout game victims who shoot back, a trend that can’t start soon enough.
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El Bandito
Joined: 07 Oct 2013
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Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| I like the part about the vigilantes stepping in to fill the gaps of the incompetent police forces. |
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