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young_clinton
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Scorpion
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The referendum is less than two weeks away....and the separatists have, for the first time, a small advantage in the polls. I think this will be a disaster for everyone. As someone of Scottish ancestry I hope that the UK stays together.
I'm pretty sure that, after voting day, the SNP's vision will have failed. The UK is one of the most successful country's in the history of the world. It's worth preserving. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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The referendum is less than two weeks away....and the separatists have, for the first time, a small advantage in the polls. I think this will be a disaster for everyone. As someone of Scottish ancestry I hope that the UK stays together.
I'm pretty sure that, after voting day, the SNP's vision will have failed. The UK is one of the most successful country's in the history of the world. It's worth preserving. |
I hope Scotland chooses to stay, but I am far more worried that the No vote will only win by a few percentage points.
It would hardly be an endorsement for the current union.
At the very least we have to raise the upper limit on the threshold for calling a referendum. To avoid the needlesly damaging social and economic effects of a referendum, pro-independence parties should have to control 80% of the seats at Holyrood. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:15 am Post subject: |
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A new poll in the Times shows a slight lead for the Yes vote which means they have overturned a 22 point lead in under a month.
The pro-Union parties are now going to offer a 'Scottish Convention' which is going to be devo max in all but name.
Devo max would be a disaster for English tax payers as it would mean the Scots can run their economy knowing that it would inevitably be the English picking up the tab if something goes wrong.
Vote Yes and lets just go our seperate ways.
As much as I love Scotland the price is just too damn high. |
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Smithington
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think voting yes and breaking up the UK is the height of selfishness. It will profoundly impact all of Britain and create an existentialist crisis for the rest of the UK. It could even reignite the Ulster troubles.
You shouldn't be allowed to break up a country with a 50+1 vote. It should require a two thirds majority. If Scotland leaves on a tiny margin the other 49.95% will be bitterly resentful. It will hardly be a united country in anything other than a political sense.
Let's hope the polls are wrong. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Here we see the little Englanders showing their true colours.
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| As much as I love Scotland the price is just too damn high. |
You were spouting about shared culture yet now you're prepared to cut the Scots off. We've been sharing our oil with you lot for years, yet you begrudge Scotland running its own economy. If you have any Scottish heritage they would be rolling in their graves. You should be ashamed son.
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| You shouldn't be allowed to break up a country with a 50+1 vote. It should require a two thirds majority. If Scotland leaves on a tiny margin the other 49.95% will be bitterly resentful. It will hardly be a united country in anything other than a political sense. |
Not so confident about Scotland staying part of the UK now, are you Tory boy?
I still predict a No vote, but the way the English posters have acted on this thread shows why so many Scots are so willing to get rid of them. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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All the Canadians here remember the 1995 separatist referendum for Quebec and how the Yes votes for separation were 49%. Close but not quite.
I think the Scottish voters will have a similar experience. It's obviously really close but ultimately the No vote will win.
I'm hearing on CNN right now that Scottish oil resources and development potential development could be over-estimated by the nationalists. |
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aq8knyus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| You were spouting about shared culture yet now you're prepared to cut the Scots off. We've been sharing our oil with you lot for years, yet you begrudge Scotland running its own economy. If you have any Scottish heritage they would be rolling in their graves. You should be ashamed son. |
According to the white paper I would be eligible for a Scottish passport brother citizen.
I stated that my reasons for wanting to stay together were emotional based on our extensive ties.
The prospect of the Scottish convention is a new development, so I have modified my opinion.
I guess as a demented tribalist you wouldn't understand such a thing.
Also Scotland got tens of billions from the UK government to develop that oil and will get 200 billion worth of investement if they stay. So stop moaning about oil being stolen.
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Not so confident about Scotland staying part of the UK now, are you Tory boy?
I still predict a No vote, but the way the English posters have acted on this thread shows why so many Scots are so willing to get rid of them. |
At this point the prospect of a Scottish convention is making me hope for a YES vote victory and I will remind you that I never stated that the NO vote would win easily, so do one.
There are many fair reasons why people would want an independent Scotland, but you have not used one of them.
All of your posts has been dripping in xenophobia and bitterness towards the English.
Why all the hate? Why can't Scottish independence be about hope for something better and not just another boring rant against the English? |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm hoping for a yes vote. Its time for Scotland to grow up.
Then they won't be able to blame the english for everything anymore. |
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Smithington
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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A 50.1 % "Yes" victory. Can you spell partition, children? Also, the SNP will be in a very weak negotiating position with London if 49.99% of Scots are adamantly opposed to independence. What if polls during the negotiations (which could take years) show most Scots now wish to remain part of the UK. What mandate will the Scottish negotiators have then? Will a second referendum be necessary?
Breaking up a country should require a two-thirds majority. Anything less is pure folly. And in Scotland's case it will dramatically increase sectarian tensions with Protestants accusing Catholics (of Irish descent) of voting en bloc against remaining within the UK. I wouldn't be surprised to see serious violence erupt. Many will see the Catholic "Celtic" vote as the deciding factor and react accordingly. Celtic fans, for their part, will be ecstatic and openly taunt and provoke Scottish loyalists. Nothing good can come of this.
This has folly written all over it. |
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aq8knyus
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:42 am Post subject: |
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A 50.1 % "Yes" victory. Can you spell partition, children? Also, the SNP will be in a very weak negotiating position with London if 49.99% of Scots are adamantly opposed to independence. What if polls during the negotiations (which could take years) show most Scots now wish to remain part of the UK. What mandate will the Scottish negotiators have then? Will a second referendum be necessary?
Breaking up a country should require a two-thirds majority. Anything less is pure folly. And in Scotland's case it will dramatically increase sectarian tensions with Protestants accusing Catholics (of Irish descent) of voting en bloc against remaining within the UK. I wouldn't be surprised to see serious violence erupt. Many will see the Catholic "Celtic" vote as the deciding factor and react accordingly. Celtic fans, for their part, will be ecstatic and openly taunt and provoke Scottish loyalists. Nothing good can come of this.
This has folly written all over it. |
The problem is that they did that in 1979 and the Nats never stopped crying foul for over 3 decades.
A close result will also make it more likely that the SNP will simply try their luck again in 10 years or so and sentence the UK to a neverendum. |
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jazzmaster
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| You were spouting about shared culture yet now you're prepared to cut the Scots off. We've been sharing our oil with you lot for years, yet you begrudge Scotland running its own economy. If you have any Scottish heritage they would be rolling in their graves. You should be ashamed son. |
According to the white paper I would be eligible for a Scottish passport brother citizen.
I stated that my reasons for wanting to stay together were emotional based on our extensive ties.
The prospect of the Scottish convention is a new development, so I have modified my opinion.
I guess as a demented tribalist you wouldn't understand such a thing.
Also Scotland got tens of billions from the UK government to develop that oil and will get 200 billion worth of investement if they stay. So stop moaning about oil being stolen.
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Not so confident about Scotland staying part of the UK now, are you Tory boy?
I still predict a No vote, but the way the English posters have acted on this thread shows why so many Scots are so willing to get rid of them. |
At this point the prospect of a Scottish convention is making me hope for a YES vote victory and I will remind you that I never stated that the NO vote would win easily, so do one.
There are many fair reasons why people would want an independent Scotland, but you have not used one of them.
All of your posts has been dripping in xenophobia and bitterness towards the English.
Why all the hate? Why can't Scottish independence be about hope for something better and not just another boring rant against the English? |
Keep spouting your shite. Demented tribalist? Xenophobia and biterness? Your assumption that granting the Scottish government more control over its own finances would lead to them over spending and leave the English picking up the tab speaks volumes. Suddenly it's the "English" picking up the tab. What happened to British? What happened to Wales and N. Ireland? And the investment in oil is a drop in the ocean compared to the money the UK government receives from oil revenues.
If anyone here is bitter it is you. You're bitter that the Scottish might actually vote to leave the UK. You would rather they leave the UK than grant them more power over their own finances, because you don't trust them. That is how you perceive the Scots, and that's why any Scottish relatives you have would be ashamed of you. You sound like a UKIP supporting *beep*.
And the second quote you replied to wasn't from you. It was from Smithington. It seems you don't even recognize the shit you smear all over this thread. It becomes interchangeable with another halfwit, who is rabbiting on about "serious violence" between Catholics and Protestants, despite only 13% of the Scottish population being Catholic. Where is the other 37% of the vote for independence coming from? The muslims? The blacks? The eastern Europeans? And how would any possible situation be different if it's a no vote? Would the Protestants not then provoke the Catholics?
Another UKIP *beep* spouting shite.
I don't hate English people. But when you come on here claiming the Scots aren't to be trusted with their own finances, and that to have a referendum on our own future is "folly" then I'm sure that other posters can see that it's actually you two I dislike. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Actually I just read that there is a growing backlash against the new devo supermax powers being offered through the so-called Scottish Convention.
An upshot may be that even with the convention England might get it's own kind of devolution.
We live in interesting times. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| Keep spouting your shite. Demented tribalist? Xenophobia and biterness? Your assumption that granting the Scottish government more control over its own finances would lead to them over spending and leave the English picking up the tab speaks volumes. Suddenly it's the "English" picking up the tab. What happened to British? What happened to Wales and N. Ireland? And the investment in oil is a drop in the ocean compared to the money the UK government receives from oil revenues. |
You are an angry little fellow aren't you...
This is why I said you were demented, your vile language and attempts at playing the hardman are just strange. Although perhaps unhinged would have been a more accurate description.
As for your 'argument':
1) Economically speaking Wales and NI are the poorest regions in the UK. The burden would fall on the English by and large.
2) Only 1.5% of the UK government revenues comes from oil.
Let me make your argument for you seeing as you are so hopeless.
Oil is important to the UK's balance of payments and they could rise to dangerous levels if Scotland broke away.
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| If anyone here is bitter it is you. You're bitter that the Scottish might actually vote to leave the UK. You would rather they leave the UK than grant them more power over their own finances, because you don't trust them. That is how you perceive the Scots, and that's why any Scottish relatives you have would be ashamed of you. You sound like a UKIP supporting *beep*. |
What's with the 'they'?
If Scotland leaves I will be joining, I am part of the 민족.
Also I have written post after post supporting the EU, so no, I am not a UKIP fan.
Anymore unhinged attacks upon me or can we get back to the issue at hand?
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| I don't hate English people. But when you come on here claiming the Scots aren't to be trusted with their own finances, and that to have a referendum on our own future is "folly" then I'm sure that other posters can see that it's actually you two I dislike. |
You don't hate English people, you just write gleeful posts predicting the collapse of their country...charming.
I never said anything remotely disparaging about the Scots. You made this about nationality and identity because that is all your angry little rants amount to, brother citizen.
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Devo max would be a disaster for English tax payers as it would mean the Scots can run their economy knowing that it would inevitably be the English picking up the tab if something goes wrong. |
How would this be in essence difference than the situation in the United States, wherein the states have a substantial degree of sovereignty, including over their economies? Yes, it means that some states pay each year to essentially "pick up the tab" for other states, but it's hardly the end of the world. Admittedly, I wouldn't exactly be sad about news that Tennessee or Kentucky were suddenly voting to leave the union, but "the price is just too damn high" seems like hyperbole. |
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