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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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I feel the 'pranksters' do deserve what they got. Unfortunately, it was the exact reaction they were hoping for.
That wasn't an innocent Trigger Happy TV show, it was violating people, it was abusing people and it was causing confrontational situations for no reason other than to try and get youtube famous.
The poster that said that they feel sorry for the kids that go to school with those thugs. Those thugs were minding their own business. They were baited into a reaction. |
You never heard of 'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me'? You weren't taught that at school? Nobody's denying the white guys behaved like idiots but the instant extreme physical reactions a lot of these poor innocent thugs showed in return were pretty shocking. You can well imagine how many people get attacked at night clubs etc... when you think that they lash out at the first sign of being disrepected when sober, never mind if they were high on alcohol or drugs. |
Depends on the word.
Threats of violence are often met with a violent response.
"Want a punch?" |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously? There have already been radical changes in the system for the better within the last 150 years. Thus, it would be logical to expect the social problems in black communities to have been on the decline during that period if such problems were truly part of the legacy of slavery. The increase in violent crime and illegitimacy since the 1960s does not support such a hypothesis. It makes no sense to claim that the effects of slavery increase rather than decrease with time. |
It isn't just slavery but centuries of racial policies that enforce disparities still exist today.
Its also worth noting that black crime has actually steadily decreased the last 20 years. The main reason why it's so ridicosouly high is (a.) the criminal justice system is still incredibly racist at this point and (b.) the crack epidemic in the 1980s. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| You never heard of 'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' |
But names can hurt... |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Names will never hurt me (physically)
You can argue, as many people do nowadays, that name calling can be very damaging psychologically etc etc. but I suppose that rhyme comes from a time when people were told to keep a stiff upper lip and that letting one's emotions show or running off to the authorities to report it, wasn't always a good thing. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| Again, all this over a hoax. |
Glad that someone else sees it for what it is. Like I said on the first page, these just scream 'work'. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Anyways, I'm sure a lot of posters here would do something similar if some random guy pulled what these guys did. I know I would. |
Exactly.
No person with self respect tolerates such bul lsh*t.
The law seems to be all about punishing violence but does nothing to punish the those who instigate it.
This reminds me of Zidane. Is there a man alive who does not react violently to having his wife and sisters openly called who*res? Does the law really expect people to do nothing in the face of such provocation? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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This reminds me of Zidane. Is there a man alive who does not react violently to having his wife and sisters openly called who*res? |
Yes. Me and every sane, well adjusted guy I have ever known. If some random person on the street called my mom a name I'd just be confused, or laugh, or ignore him and just continue on my way. If some dorky looking dude half my size walked up to me and asked "Do you have a problem?" in a non threatening way, my reaction wouldn't be to immediately attack him as is seen in some of the videos. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Me and every sane, well adjusted guy I have ever known. If some random person on the street called my mom a name I'd just be confused, or laugh, or ignore him and just continue on my way. If some dorky looking dude half my size walked up to me and asked "Do you have a problem?" in a non threatening way, my reaction wouldn't be to immediately attack him as is seen in some of the videos. |
This. I remember punching some guy at school when he insulted my Dad but I'd like to think I've grown up a bit since then.
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| This reminds me of Zidane. Is there a man alive who does not react violently to having his wife and sisters openly called who*res? Does the law really expect people to do nothing in the face of such provocation? |
Yes. That's why Materazzi stayed on the pitch and Zidane was sent off and highly criticized in the French press. |
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RangerMcGreggor
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Again: Watch the whole video people. It wasn't just name calling, it was direct threats, harrasing people to sell drugs and claiming they are selling guns. If some outsider came into your neighborhood going around doing that, I wouldn't be shocked if that person ended up in a hospital. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Again: Watch the whole video people. It wasn't just name calling, it was direct threats, harrasing people to sell drugs and claiming they are selling guns. If some outsider came into your neighborhood going around doing that, I wouldn't be shocked if that person ended up in a hospital.
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Of course, the law would deal with those black guys in the video on a case by case basis and some of them would probably get off an assault charge due to physical provocation. Others wouldn't, as the provocation was only verbal and the reaction was way over the top. Meanwhile the discussion moved on to the Zidane head butt incident. Do you have a problem with that? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| RangerMcGreggor wrote: |
| Again: Watch the whole video people. It wasn't just name calling, it was direct threats, harrasing people to sell drugs and claiming they are selling guns. If some outsider came into your neighborhood going around doing that, I wouldn't be shocked if that person ended up in a hospital. |
In the videos where they physically touched the guys or grabbed their phones, a beat down is understandable. In the vids where they only said something and the guys immediately attack them- that is just savage and angry behavior. If I attacked every person who ever asked me to buy drugs on the streets, that would have been many many attacks. |
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RangerMcGreggor
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| RangerMcGreggor wrote: |
| Again: Watch the whole video people. It wasn't just name calling, it was direct threats, harrasing people to sell drugs and claiming they are selling guns. If some outsider came into your neighborhood going around doing that, I wouldn't be shocked if that person ended up in a hospital. |
In the videos where they physically touched the guys or grabbed their phones, a beat down is understandable. In the vids where they only said something and the guys immediately attack them- that is just savage and angry behavior. If I attacked every person who ever asked me to buy drugs on the streets, that would have been many many attacks. |
There is a big difference in pestering someone for drugs in suburbia than in urban areas where there are probably gangs and "turf." |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder if they video of them paying the guys a couple hundred bucks afterward. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| I wonder if they video of them paying the guys a couple hundred bucks afterward. |
I believe some of those vids are fake, but not all. The stabbing one is fake. Some of the reactions are just too natural that it would have taken tremendous actors to pull those off. And some of the beatings are very real. |
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