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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul
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| PRagic wrote: |
| They should then be scratched from consideration just out of gfp. Wouldn't be surprised if some bible thumper types were interested none-the-less. It's a weird world. |
Yikes!
Dave Sperling goes for that?
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Important notices:
1. The contract is for 2 years. (A new contract may be offered at the end of two years.)
2. KNU or an employee of KNU cannot be held responsible for any information or material that fails to reach us because of incorrect contact information.
3. If, at any stage during or after the selection process, it is discovered that you have knowingly provided false information regarding your credentials and experience, you will be disqualified from the entire process. If employed you will be terminated immediately and required to reimburse KNU for all monies received by you from KNU. A letter of release from KNU will NOT be issued.
4. The instructors must attend local Korean Nazarene churches during the contract period.
5. Drinking, smoking and homosexuality are not allowed.
6. The instructors cannot have any criminal records. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
| They should then be scratched from consideration just out of gfp. Wouldn't be surprised if some bible thumper types were interested none-the-less. It's a weird world. |
Yikes!
Dave Sperling goes for that?
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Important notices:
1. The contract is for 2 years. (A new contract may be offered at the end of two years.)
2. KNU or an employee of KNU cannot be held responsible for any information or material that fails to reach us because of incorrect contact information.
3. If, at any stage during or after the selection process, it is discovered that you have knowingly provided false information regarding your credentials and experience, you will be disqualified from the entire process. If employed you will be terminated immediately and required to reimburse KNU for all monies received by you from KNU. A letter of release from KNU will NOT be issued.
4. The instructors must attend local Korean Nazarene churches during the contract period.
5. Drinking, smoking and homosexuality are not allowed.
6. The instructors cannot have any criminal records. |
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Why Not:
7. Must be able to walk on water and do so at the interview. If you sink and can not swim, we will let you drown, then you can burn in Hell for eternity. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| drcrazy wrote: |
| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
| They should then be scratched from consideration just out of gfp. Wouldn't be surprised if some bible thumper types were interested none-the-less. It's a weird world. |
Yikes!
Dave Sperling goes for that?
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Important notices:
1. The contract is for 2 years. (A new contract may be offered at the end of two years.)
2. KNU or an employee of KNU cannot be held responsible for any information or material that fails to reach us because of incorrect contact information.
3. If, at any stage during or after the selection process, it is discovered that you have knowingly provided false information regarding your credentials and experience, you will be disqualified from the entire process. If employed you will be terminated immediately and required to reimburse KNU for all monies received by you from KNU. A letter of release from KNU will NOT be issued.
4. The instructors must attend local Korean Nazarene churches during the contract period.
5. Drinking, smoking and homosexuality are not allowed.
6. The instructors cannot have any criminal records. |
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Why Not:
7. Must be able to walk on water and do so at the interview. If you sink and can not swim, we will let you drown, then you can burn in Hell for eternity. |
I actually laughed out loud, nice.
Isn't religion wonderful. Yesterday I finished reading Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion. A lot of well thought out arguments. Anyone interested should definitely pick it up. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
| They should then be scratched from consideration just out of gfp. Wouldn't be surprised if some bible thumper types were interested none-the-less. It's a weird world. |
Yikes!
Dave Sperling goes for that?
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Important notices:
1. The contract is for 2 years. (A new contract may be offered at the end of two years.)
2. KNU or an employee of KNU cannot be held responsible for any information or material that fails to reach us because of incorrect contact information.
3. If, at any stage during or after the selection process, it is discovered that you have knowingly provided false information regarding your credentials and experience, you will be disqualified from the entire process. If employed you will be terminated immediately and required to reimburse KNU for all monies received by you from KNU. A letter of release from KNU will NOT be issued.
4. The instructors must attend local Korean Nazarene churches during the contract period.
5. Drinking, smoking and homosexuality are not allowed.
6. The instructors cannot have any criminal records. |
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You'd think Christians would be showing a bit more love. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I'm sure they do  |
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Totti
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Been applying, but not getting anything back yet. It seems like it's only hagwons in sticks hiring from abroad.
Might be time to give China a shot. |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Been applying, but not getting anything back yet. It seems like it's only hagwons in sticks hiring from abroad.
Might be time to give China a shot. |
I was talking to a friend over the weekend and he said they had 150+ applicants for 3 positions at the language institute on his campus, and that was just on the first day. |
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Totti
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Totti wrote: |
Been applying, but not getting anything back yet. It seems like it's only hagwons in sticks hiring from abroad.
Might be time to give China a shot. |
I was talking to a friend over the weekend and he said they had 150+ applicants for 3 positions at the language institute on his campus, and that was just on the first day. |
yeah that's the vibe I'm getting and I'm not sure it's worth it. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
| drcrazy wrote: |
| Shimokitazawa wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
| They should then be scratched from consideration just out of gfp. Wouldn't be surprised if some bible thumper types were interested none-the-less. It's a weird world. |
Yikes!
Dave Sperling goes for that?
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Important notices:
1. The contract is for 2 years. (A new contract may be offered at the end of two years.)
2. KNU or an employee of KNU cannot be held responsible for any information or material that fails to reach us because of incorrect contact information.
3. If, at any stage during or after the selection process, it is discovered that you have knowingly provided false information regarding your credentials and experience, you will be disqualified from the entire process. If employed you will be terminated immediately and required to reimburse KNU for all monies received by you from KNU. A letter of release from KNU will NOT be issued.
4. The instructors must attend local Korean Nazarene churches during the contract period.
5. Drinking, smoking and homosexuality are not allowed.
6. The instructors cannot have any criminal records. |
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Why Not:
7. Must be able to walk on water and do so at the interview. If you sink and can not swim, we will let you drown, then you can burn in Hell for eternity. |
I actually laughed out loud, nice.
Isn't religion wonderful. Yesterday I finished reading Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion. A lot of well thought out arguments. Anyone interested should definitely pick it up. |
I am a 110% Believer. The extra 10% is because of the things I have experienced, it goes far beyond believing. I know. I also know that things such as the Inquisition or what these Militant Muslims are doing is the greatest evil of all because the greatest evil of all is to do evil in the name of God.
Christians that push those away from Him, and not try to bring them to Him, are actually doing the work of Satan.
"Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." Romans 14:13.
"With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." Ephesians 4:2, 3.
"And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you." Ephesians 4:32. |
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nacho
Joined: 08 Oct 2014
Location: A gloomy pub
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with the above is simple:
How do you get experience when you are barred by law from getting experience?
Personally, I graduated with my M.ED a year and a half ago and was hired by a big uni in Seoul the following semester. They used my previous public school (in the states) experience to count for the 2 years of experience.
I know a number of other people in the same boat.
The 'law' creates a situation that precludes anyone that did not have experience pre-2013 to actually gain any uni experience. This is obviously impossible and thus has been bypassed by many schools. |
It doesn't 'prevent' anyone from getting experience. What they are trying to do is hire people who have experience. It means they are looking to hire people who have experience in the West (and not just those here). You are fully capable of getting your needed experience back home. |
If one were actually working in a university department with only an MA TESOL in the U.S., it would be quire rare. And few EFL teachers in Korea have more than an MA TESOL. To obtain "western" tertiary/adult experience in the U.S., for example, there are only a few options with an MA TESOL - since it is not a content degree, like say an M.A. English/Linguistics, etc. The other problem is that in the west, there is no ESL "major" because all the education is already in English. So it stands to reason you won't get department work teaching ESL as there are no ESL departments. So university department work is just not possible, unless you're teaching in an MA TESOL program, which normally requires a Ph.D. MA TESOLers in the U.S. are left with unigwons (a.k.a. IEP's), community colleges, or language academies. The first and third are low-paying, and the second only offers a very select few an invitation to the full-time club with 90% adjuncts eking out an existence. None of these, by your definition, would qualify for any work in Korea. One could find work in say KSA and have "Kind Saud University" on their resume, but again it is foundation/remedial level work, not actual department work. Finally, I have noticed some Korean universities interpreting this two-year uni requirement differently. Some say any college-level experience while others insist on "university". Woosong University, for example, has the following requirements: "Master's degree (Education, English, or Linguistics preferred) and 2 years of verifiable English teaching experience." Another interesting thing to note is that in Korea, all their universities have "University" in the name - Koreans are really attached to this word. If it isn't there, to them it just isn't "university" English language teaching. Anyway, in the U.S., for example, this university naming system is variable. Take Cal Poly for example, or Vassar College, etc. These are prestigious institutions. But without the word "university" on your resume, you might easily get screened out. And again, even if it does say "university", in nearly all cases it is not in a department. One would not be qualified with only an MA TESOL to teach English majors in department on credit-bearing courses in the U.S. Ideally this should also be the case in Korea. |
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sigmundsmith
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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There is far too much bad information provided in this thread ...
To be hired today, you need 2 things.
1) A graduate degree (highly preferred from a Western university outside Korea) If you did your degree in Korea, your application will go to the bottom of the pile.
2) 2 years university dept. experience AFTER you graduated from you M.A./M.Ed studies.
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Well I will have to definitely disagree with number 1). I got my MATESOL at a university in Korea with a thesis component. I have compared the course work that I did to others doing the MA's by online methods and their workload and content was way lower in substance and volume of reading and writing to what I was doing.
Also, to go to the bottom of the pile. Again I will disagree with you there. After a semester outside of Korea, I came back for the beginning of the 2014 year and was offered a position at one of the better university gigs in Seoul; location and conditions. Yes, I already had 4 years university teaching experience in Korea by then but my application didn't go to the bottom of the pile. |
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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Hey all,
I have been offered a Uni position. Pay is not huge but the teaching is just for 3 days a week with 4 month's vacation included which is pretty sweet.
I guess there will be plenty of time to make more if I choose.
The location is about an hour from where I live too which is handy.
Here is the thing-
I have just a Bachelor's Degree and Public School (After School) Experience as well as some academy experience etc.
In my Resume I included a lot of part time teaching to adults which I have done too and they seemed happy with that.
I'm an F visa holder which helps I suppose.
I haven't applied to many Unis cos I just figured I didn't have any chance.
Contract signing is next week and I should submit all the required documents then too. The Uni stressed I needed 4 years of Public School teaching to satisfy the MOE rules. This is the one document I am concerned about.
Will my after school teaching be ok for this?
I have 5 years After school teaching experience in public schools.
Also, I am bit concerned about job security. Reading this thread makes it all look a bit dangerous with Unis being forced to drop teachers etc.
The Uni here said they are expanding their English program.
I just hope my documents are accepted and I feel really lucky about having this opportunity. I know there are some pitfalls here and I will be giving up the job I have had for years. It is a bit of a risk.
What are yer thoughts on this? |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Take the job and use the extra time to pad your income. Use one of those holidays to enjoy some travel if that suits you.
If you're serious about keeping that job, or being able to transition to another university position, consider doing an online MA with a reputable university. Given your schedule and the holidays, you'll have more than enough time to knock one out.
Hope things roll your way. |
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finlandpenguin
Joined: 29 Jan 2015
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I'm thinking of trying for a uni gig in Korea. I have an MA in linguistics from a university that is well-known to Koreans, a BA in communications, years of real-world experience at a couple of very well-known NGOs in the US. I did one year of a doctoral program as well, although I don't know if that would be perceived as positive or negative. I also have some experience in Korea as a writing instructor at a hagwon, but it was back in 2006-2007. The only thing I don't have is teaching experience at a university. I did teach high school students who were part of a university program that I worked for so I guess that could qualify. Do I have a shot, or would I be wasting my time?
I'm thinking of going back and working for one of the more well-known hagwons just to get in the country again, and going after uni jobs from there, or just applying directly for uni jobs from the states. What do you guys think? I'm also interested in trying in Japan as well, but in my job search it seems like university jobs are more than plenty in Korea while in Japan they are extremely hard to find. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, you have as much a shot as the next applicant.
I posted a load of jobs on the 'university jobs without experience' thread. take a job anywhere that'll accept you and work your way up from there. most universities like to hire from within Korea, but you might catch a break.
SNU has been known to hire from outside the country, for example (though most would tell you it's not the greatest job in Seoul). |
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